Was the abs module ever corrected from Isuzu? I'm asking before I drop the $3000 to do the job. If it's just going to fail again in a year or so, why spend the money? Anyone know if the issues were corrected?
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Was the abs module ever corrected from Isuzu? I'm asking before I drop the $3000 to do the job. If it's just going to fail again in a year or so, why spend the money? Anyone know if the issues were corrected?
I'm not sure you'll find a definitive answer on that one. I saw an unused OEM module on eBay quite awhile back that looked the same as ours, and was advertised as being for a VX, but when I called Merlin to verify the part number (it was a little different than the one listed in a parts book I had), even he wasn't sure about it. He just said that at times, Isuzu applied superceded part numbers to some parts, but that it was impossible to tell whether it was done because actual changes had been made, whether they had just been purchased from another supplier, or ???
I think Etl recently did this.. may check with him first
i pulled a used module from a wrecked vx for 100.. i installed it myself in about 45 minutes with help for 15 to bleed the brakes.. even if it fails 20 times.. still cheaper than the dealershipQuote:
Originally Posted by Solitude
My abs light came on recently, but i feel no difference in the braking. I am under warranty still for a few thousand miles so I may take it in just to be safe. what do you guys/gals think?
When it needs to be replaced (the ~$3000 job), is there a noticeable difference in braking?
If the ABS light is NOT flashing, it is typically only a sensor or wiring to sensor issue and ABS WILL continue to operate correctly. IF the ABS light is flashing, it is the control module and ABS will NOT be working correctly. In TX, you can pass a safety inspection with the light lit as long as it is not flashing and/or the brake warning light on the dash is not on.
Also, if you have NOT been flushing your brake fluid regularly (at least every two years) it is probably dark or black and will over time destroy the module under the hood.
Great thanks for the heads up tone!. Where should i start as far as troubleshooting is concerned? When it first came on, It would only come on every now and then, depending on the length of the trip. But now for the last 500-1000 miles, its been on constantly.
i replaced my module recently.. i didnt notice a huge difference in braking performance.. maybe a very slight decrease in stopping ability in extreme situations (60-0) but my vx still stops plenty fast
Dear Tone and Members:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tone
My ABS turned on for the first time, and intermittently turns off, but then returns. However it is not flashing just solid on or off. The brake warning light on the dash is never on. So I hope the ABS will continue to operate and if need be, pass CA inspection.
However, I did notice that upon starting my VX, I stopped hearing and feeling the clicking/pulsing in the brake pedal which is supposed to indicate that the ABS is checking itself?
Could this indicate that the problem is beyond a sensor or wiring to sensor issue?
Thanks so much!
I'm not having a problem w/MY ABS (at least not YET!), but if/when I DO, I plan on sending it to THIS guy, along with $106.00:
http://stores.ebay.com/Digital-Speed...Repair-Service
He claims to rebuild 'em BETTER than new; he's got pretty damned good eBay feedback too, so I'm guessing he's got something goin' for him...
I've bought a used dysfunctional ABS module off of a VX already; if/when mine takes a crap, I'll ship this one off for a rebuild, and when I get it back, I'll be able to R&R the module(s) with no downtime; my advice is to go and do likewise...
That guy claims a fix for C0265 which is fairly specific - I don't believe that was one of the codes I was showing. I had talked to several of the larger rebuild shops and they basically told me the same thing - the Bosch-made parts were sealed OEM and no rebuildable - one even claimed to have tried on several and weren't able to successfully make it work. Anything is worth a try though - when you send yours off let us know how it works out.
-- John
My light is on solid. The ABS does not work when light is on. shawn
Seems ABS unit issues have been coming up a lot recently. Found this older thread.
Saw this REBUILD on ebay for $99....anybody ever hear about anybody trying this? Seller has great feedback, but too many to search through to see if he's ever done a VX. It's a different outfit than the one Ganzman referenced.
Also, johnnyapollo said he'd been told our unit is NOT rebuildable....
Any thoughts?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...#ht_3895wt_602
i seem to remember hearing positive feedback from someone here about that guy..
really though for 99 bucks.. they could screw it up 29 times and you would still be better off than going to the dealer ;Db;
problem with doing re-builds is that you are without an abs module for however long it takes.. in that time period you cant drive the VX unless you already have a second module. perhaps someone with a spare can get the ball rolling on a "send the next one here" kinda thing
VX Kat - Thanks for that link! I bought a "spare" failed ABS module from someone here on the Forum a year ago. Even though mine hasn't taken a dump yet, this is JUST the impetus I need to go ahead and send that spare off for a rebuild. $100 is cheap insurance to have on hand - like carrying an umbrella, I'll prolly never need it, LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
Funny, I heard the same thing a while back from a couple of sources. Never gave it any thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
As the great, late Tone mentioned in an earlier post, I too did hear, that if the ABS is at full light ON, the module is "most likely" not to blame, but possibly a speed sensor.
When FLASHING, the ABS module is failed as the circuit tripped and did not return from the module, meaning module failure.
Just what I heard.... I won't be held liable. :p.
Hey Ganzman- How'd this turn out? Obviously guess you can't say how it works, but how was the workmanship, were they timely, etc...?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGanzman
Haven't gotten a Round Tuit yet...:bwgy:Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
Looking into the eBay service, there is a lot of positive feedback, but as far as I can tell none for an Izusu. Google turns up a number of people that offer more or less the same service, although few lit Izusu, probably because there's not much market, so they either don't bother or don't know how.
Does anyone know what Bosch unit/series the Vehicross has? Is it the same unit as the Trooper? According to the rebuilders store, they look the same.
I also found that Isuzu had a recall for 98-99 Rodeo ABS systems and this comment and also concerning a Rodeo,
One site says cars can be driven without the unit. That makes sense if it's not working anyway.Quote:
... the owners manual and they say to stop the car immediately. Shut it off, start it up again and for about quarter to half mile do not exceed 8 mph, go slow and the light will shut off. If the light comes back on, repeat the same. If it does not go off or it returns, have it serviced.
Is this really true? My light is not flashing, just solid. Does this really mean that the ABS functionality is really working and I just have a sensor or wire problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tone
My light is on solid (has been for several years) and I have NO ABS...just regular braking.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysamigo
Same here, solid light for a long time, no abs what so ever
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Originally Posted by tysamigo
What Billy say...:yesgray:Quote:
Originally Posted by Triathlete
If you can find some snow or loose gravel, try to lock em' up from about 30 mph.
If the ABS is working, (doubtful) it'll let you know...:yesgray:
I do this about once a month just to keep it all loose and working fine...:bwgy::smilewink:bgwo::bgwb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
Meat-oooooooQuote:
Originally Posted by Mile High VX
Had the abs light come on for about half a day ONCE since 04...And that was on a day when it was WELL below zero temp.
Later the same day, it went out...:dance:
I'm on my second module & the light has been going on/off for the last couple months during cold weather. I'm over it... if this module goes out, i'm pulling the plug :yesgray:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
I like to drive my vx a "little aggressively" :bwgy: so I like the peace of mind that I have anti-locking brakes especially in slippery conditions. I would really really like to have a functioning ABS on my baby.
I would really like to get to the bottom of this and find out if my proton has a sensor/wire problem or abs problem. So basically I should replace all to make sure? Is there a step by step diagnostic procedure to figure out if its the module or not (aside from taking it to a dealer and getting reamed)?
By the way, I found an older thread where a guy claimed to be able to rebuild them to where the module was like or even better than new. I sent him an email and he replied back with his contact info. I haven't called him yet but am about too during my lunch break...
I said in the email:
Hi, I read on our forum online (www.vehicross.info) that you claim you can rebuild an ABS module like or better than new. If this is the case, can you give me some details? I have a 2001 Isuzu VehiCross."
His reply was:
david ruberg
123 w. sarnia st
winona, mn 55987
507-429-4489
I'll call him to see what he has to say. But I also read on that same forum several people saying that the VX ABS Module cannot be rebuilt. :_confused
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Originally Posted by tysamigo
This is not true - the P/O also told me that it was the right front ABS speed sensor that was causing the issues (solid light ABS on all the time). I installed new speed sensor but there was no change in the dash light.
Then I found a a thread here that mentioned shorting certain pins on the OBDII port to actually visualize the ABS codes (which can't be read by the rental OBDII scanner at the local autoparts store). After following the directions on the thread the code that flashed on the dash (the ABS light flashes a certain number of times) indicated that the module was dead.
If you're ABS is solid on, you're module is the most likely cause.
If someone has a spare broken module lying around, I would love to dremel into the casing and see if there are some broken caps or resistors. It is known to begin functioning in very cold weather, only to stop once warm.
If the module can be rebuilt for 100, the issue should also be fixable by an amateur at home. If anyone has a spare, let me know.
Is it this thread you're referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by tysamigo
I asked this guy x3 and he said absolutely he can rebuild our unit for $99.
I have a dead unit sitting in my garage that I was going to send in...but wouldn't have anything to test it on....and I don't want to remove mine which is "currently" still functioning.
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...s+ebay+rebuild
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Originally Posted by tysamigo
I found the information. Please read through this thread - it presents a very easy and informative method of checking the code AT HOME, with NO TOOLS!
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...light=ABS+code
Please updates us on the code your's is throwing. I would be very interested.
Kat my light has been on for id say over 5 years. I would be a donor if ya wanted to ship it my way after he fixes it Id be happy to test it for ya ; )
yeah, but I'd prolly have to pry it from your cold dead hands, huh? :laugho:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizardmen3477
I recall someone posting that they had their ABS unit repaired and that the repair worked as advertized.
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...80&postcount=5Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
So this may be a dumb question but... can you still drive your VX with the ABS unit removed? In other words, will I be grounded for a couple weeks until I get my rebuild back?
I believe you can, but only if you sent in the electronic half and not the entire part, including the half with the hydraulic valves (brake fluid).
Generally it's the electronic half that fails though right?
I have 2 modules (well 3, but for the purposes of this discussion I'll say 2).....
I purchased 1 from a junkyard to replace the one that went bad. Now that my problem is solved (hopefully not temporary), I was hoping to send the broken one off to be repaired.
then repeat the cycle each time the abs module fails.
JAMAS, are you any good at soldering? I've found some info on BOSCH ABS modules malfunctioning in AUDI and VW (BOSCH 5.3).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqtowdSDbxU
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php...sch-5-3-Module
I'm not sure how closely our module's electronics match the 5.3 unit (produced in the late 1990's, but there is a good chance that our issues are as simple as the silver wire breaking as seen in the german cars listed above. If you would like to try to open your spare up, you may be surprised at what may have been the issue all along.
Joseph
I may open mine up this spring. I find that the cold allows it to function sporadically.
Sporadic functioning is a sign of a loose/broken connection.
I think I recall someone stating that the VX units are somehow sealed (encased/coated) to prevent water damage and therefore more complex to repair.
I did a lot of research online on these things and don't remember where I found that information.
I also recall Trooper (and some other) units are very similar, but may have different programming. Never could determine for sure if they were the same or if they could be reprogrammed.