Wheel Spec Info, Hard to find a one stop shop.

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WHEEL SPEC WIKI - Please take a side image showing your offset and I'll add it here

Please include all tire and wheel specs.
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http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...s/lifted05.jpg
Tires: 33X12.5R20 Nitto Terra Grapplers
Wheels: 20X8.5 +10mm offset 108mm center Bore KMC XD Rockstars
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http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da.../IMG_00271.JPG
tires:285/60/18 Toyo AT
Wheels:+18mm offset 18" Wheels
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http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...ations_024.jpg
tires:33X12.5 R20 Nitto Terra Grapplers
Wheels: 20X8.5 +15mm offset Zinik Z26
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http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...s/CIMG1004.JPG
Tires: 33x12.50 R15 Wranglers
Wheels: ??? Guessing 0 offset

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Well, the oem wheel is a 6 on 5.5 bolt pattern, 38 mm positive offset with 108 mm center bore. I know Littlebeast was able to use 100 mm centerbore but be sure they will fit, espically when trying to remove a hot wheel that has expanded if you get my drift.

Someone here coined a wonderful phrase about the stock wheel and tires making the VX look like it is stand on it's tip toes or something to that effect, but well said.

I went with a MKW M18 wheel (see in my gallery) it is a 8.5 inch with a 18mm positive offset. I also mounted Toyo AT's, 286/60/18. I did have to crank the torsion bars, trim the front cladding and knock back the rear cladding lip, but that step might not be neccessary with the TB crank. Also had to adjust the speedometer +6%, but was simple with the scan gauge Tone sells.

Hope that helps.

Centerline: 20"x8" with 5" backspacing.

On their site, ( www.centerlinewheels.com ) I search (from the drop down menu) using Toyota 6 lug truck & SUV, to get correct center bore.:thumbup:


Offset - Distance from the wheel center-line (CL) to the wheel mating surface - greater positive offset moves the tires inward (narrower track)
Backspace - Distance from the inside lip of the wheel to the wheel mating surface
The tricky part is that when a wheel is widened the offset and/or backspace change (actually it is impossible for both of them to remain the same), so upgrading to wider wheels is not as straightforward as "get the same offset and backspace and they will fit."

I hope this diagram will help, rather than muddy up the waters of an already murky subject...:rolleyesg

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...eel_offset.gif

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Originally Posted by rowhard

Well, the oem wheel is a 6 on 5.5 bolt pattern, 38 mm positive offset with 108 mm center bore. I know Littlebeast was able to use 100 mm centerbore but be sure they will fit, espically when trying to remove a hot wheel that has expanded if you get my drift.

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Actually I ordered mine with the 108mm centerbore because that is what I was told on here, but they were WAY too big when I put them on and I measured the spare tire and it was at 100mm.
THEN when I took off the STOCK 18"s I measured their center bore and guess what? It was 99.5mm. I don't know where this 108mm came from but it is wrong. Stock centerbore on our wheels is 100mm.

In my opinion +15 is about as low as you should go on the VX, maybe +10, but definitely not 0 or any negatives, please.

If you want to see what - offset looks like talk to tom4bren. I would not suggest it at all. In fact if you go past the +15 that I have I think it starts to look tacky, but that is just my opinion, some people like the look. Here is a sample of negative offset on the VX:

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/sh...72/ppuser/2699

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/sh...39/ppuser/2699

Rekin we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I totally agree with you littlebeast, hate the 'slotcar' look

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Originally Posted by tom4bren

Rekin we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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HAHA no offense I am glad somebody tried it..... And glad you bought it. Any plans to get different wheels/tires in near future?

Thanks for the help, and thanks for the Diagram LDub, it is confusing, but I'm grasping it.

As for the 108mm centerbore, I'm guessing that came up because that's what most aftermarket wheels have (when they have a large center bore) I haven't seen anything with a 100, they're all 108. I believe that's what the H3 requires.

Tom4Bren, I do have a question about your spare tire... Does the rear door feel like it can handle the weight of that when it's open? I'm considering putting my fullsize spare back there like you, but I worry about the weight on the door.

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Originally Posted by taylorRichie

Tom4Bren, I do have a question about your spare tire... Does the rear door feel like it can handle the weight of that when it's open? I'm considering putting my fullsize spare back there like you, but I worry about the weight on the door.

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Oh man, please tell me you are kidding. I think even he wishes that the guy before him would not have done that. There are better options I think that will not seriously screw up the VX like drilling through the back door. Roof mount on a rack or removing the interior seats and making a custom mount..... that door was not designed to hold that much weight, and talk about changing the look of the truck..... not trying to knock Tom4Bren, but ask him if he would have it done if it were not already done, that is the best question I think.

no... I would be using it as an off road mount only. Not always there. I'm fairly confident I could have had something fabbed up that wouldn't permanently alter the Back gate.

A back seat is far more important to me than a full size spare (unless on the trails) I don't like roof top spares, they're ok while you're on the trail but you're just creating a higher center of gravity for yourself. And keeping one up there all the time is really good for gas mileage.

Having a tire back there while off road seems like it'd be a good to have when you're in the "tippies". Jack probably could have used the extra weight ;)

Too many questions & not enough grey matter:)

1) Do I like the look? ABSOLUTELY & even more important, so does Wifey (bought the VX for her).

2) Is it too heavy for the rear door? ABSOLUTELY but ... the latch mechanism on the VX is pretty good so the hinges aren't carrying much of the load. I am very careful about opening & closing the door & will never install a door popper. I've noticed a slight amount of wear on the latch so will have to order some spare parts while they are still available. I'll try to get some pix. On the other hand, the door is bitchin heavy even without the spare so you should be careful with it anyway and NEVER EVER drive with the door open.

3) Do I wish the PO hadn't done it? No, he did a very good job of the mount. He put a fairly beafy plate both inside & out so the sheet metal isn't going to fail (if not abused by door slamming). BTW, I like the look & judging from the compliments I get - Joe Public does too.

4) Is there a better approach if you want a full sized spare & don't want it up on the roof? I'd probably fab up some kind of mount that uses the receiver hitch & never touches sheet metal. Creative engineering would be required to make it stable & not move too much. Bro has a RoadTrek (sp?) that has a similar set up but I never looked at it very closely. Of course the down side of that approach would be that if you tow with the VX, you'd be without a spare.

5) Have I thought about different wheel/tire combo? WHAT??? Prove you right??? NEVER.

Actually, I'd love to replace the Wranglers (these aren't as bad as I remember from some in the past but just never liked them). I'll wait till they're worn out tho.

I think I answered all the questions. Next scheduled tom4bren bashing starts ... now:)

"no... I would be using it as an off road mount only. Not always there."

Sounds like the receiver hitch mount would be your best approach by far. You'd want to make sure that it doesn't affect your departure angle tho.

I realize this is a little off the topic of rear mounted spare tire, but when I went in to get tires at Discount tire, they said I would have excessive bulge if I went with 265/75/16... so i went with the 245/75/16 BFG A/T's. I searched for a while on the forums, and still was doubting myself.

I love the tires, but I really want something more beefy.. I was looking at BFG Mud terrains. Could I just say forget the bulge, and go with 265/75/16 BFG M/T's? Or would I be risking it since the 7" wide rim? Keep in mind, I want to stick with STOCK 16inch rims.

IMHO - should be OK but may want to run them at a slightly higher pressure to ensure even wear (not a bad thing considering that it might also help with the gas mileage).

people have run up to 285/60/18 on stock 18s with no problems.. not sure how the 16" wheel would affect that though

How about nitto terra grapplers, I can get the 265/75/16 in town. Are they more aggressive than the BFG all terrains, or do they perform similar.

Wheels and tires ordered...
20X8.5 +10mm Offset 108mm Center Bore

33X12.5 Nitto Mud Grapplers

That's all you're getting :D Next update will be when they're on the vehicle ;)

Sweet!

At least you could do, is tell us when the unvailing will be.

Peace.
Tom
012009

p.s.
Did you see LittleBeast's post on the center bore? Not sure if it really matters, but he said the center bore was 100mm and not 108mm.

:D

Well wheels shipped this morning, from Illinois, so I'm guessing I'll have them next monday. I'm not sure how long independent 4X takes to get their orders out, but I ordered from them 8 days ago, and they have 2 key components (coil spacer, and Tie Rods) My shocks game from Allshocks.com and they Also shipped 8 days ago, however, I have no tracking information from any of my orders :(

Assuming everything comes in the next few days (less the wheels) I'll get the install done this week(end) and then mount the wheels and tires on Monday (assuming they're here) and then Trim Trim Trim.

Then... Pictures Pictures Pictures...

so... How does June 6th sound :D

http://www.miata.net/garage/hubcentric.html

There's a great simple right up on hubcentric vs lugcentric.

I guess some wheels, and some vehicles can work lugcentric (relying on the lugs to center the wheel)

I think most people on this site are running in this orientation because everyone has been posting they have a 108mm bore wheel.

I'll probably order a set of rings, just to make sure there are no vibrations, but I'm not sure if there are rings to make a 100mm to 108mm.

Hopefully they just work out :)

Also some wheels are designed to be lugcentric, so they wouldn't rely on the hub to be centered anyway.

And if your vehicle has 6 lugs which utilize conical seat lug nuts. They will always be lugcentric. (are we this way? I've never pulled a tire)

Found the rings: http://www.justforwheels.com/index.jsp?cat=hubcentric

When I get my wheels I'll confirm the exact size of both wheel and hub, and then order some rings.

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Originally Posted by LittleBeast

In my opinion +15 is about as low as you should go on the VX, maybe +10, but definitely not 0 or any negatives, please.

If you want to see what - offset looks like talk to tom4bren. I would not suggest it at all. In fact if you go past the +15 that I have I think it starts to look tacky, but that is just my opinion, some people like the look. Here is a sample of negative offset on the VX:

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/sh...72/ppuser/2699

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/sh...39/ppuser/2699

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I have 265/70/17 on 0-offset rims. The stick out a little, but you hardly notice it.

"I have 265/70/17 on 0-offset rims. The stick out a little, but you hardly notice it."

Thanks for watching my back Kenny:)

I'll have to agree that my offset looks a little strange from the rear but all other angles look great IMHO.

BTW, we are lugcentric. Only use the rings if you purchase aftermarket rims that require them. If you try to use the conical lugnuts with a concentric rim, they'll work against each other & won't seat properly.

Killer I wanted to here that we are lugcentric...

Very good... Thanks!!

And Tom, I like the look of your VX... It looks like an RC car, or some kind of toy :D which it is.

It does however look like it'd require a lot of hacking of the cladding. ;)

Hey, Tom, don't let 'em give you grief over your offset. I think VX's look good with a little tread outside the body. I've only got a 12mm negative offset (minimal cladding trimming), but that puts the Nittos out about an inch wider than the cladding. Plus, you have the added benefit of looking like a comet when you're going down the road in a heavy rain!

Randy

"It does however look like it'd require a lot of hacking of the cladding."

Yup - didn't really notice how much till I parked next to some stockers recently when we got together in Shenandoah. PO did a good job of it but more is needed (get some rub at full lock).

"Hey, Tom, don't let 'em give you grief over your offset. I think VX's look good with a little tread outside the body."

I don't take much personally so I just let them have their fun:) I think there's actually about 4 inches of tread showing on mine.

"Plus, you have the added benefit of looking like a comet when you're going down the road in a heavy rain!"

More like a friggin waterfall. Mudbogs are FUUUUNNN!!!

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Originally Posted by Kenny

I have 265/70/17 on 0-offset rims. The stick out a little, but you hardly notice it.

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Your tires are over 2" more narrow than tom4bren's which would compensate for your 0 offset and bring yours back into the ballpark in which in my opinion looks pretty good. 1" to 1 and 3/4" sticking out of fenders in my opinion looks pretty good 2"+ gets into the um wow that is not supposed to look like that range, and Tom4bren's is 4"+ sticking out. I am not saying I don't like tom4bren's VX or trying to give him a hard time, my opinion though is that the VX looks better with only a little tread sticking out. The whole "offset" thing is pretty confusing anyways. It is much easier to look at the back spacing and tread sticking out.

LittleBeast,

Y R U picking on me??? After all, NerveGas is running 36x13.50s on his 'beast' (no pun intended - that's what he calls it). BTW, he also uses 1.5 inch spacers to push them out even farther. I guess with a total of 7.5 inches of lift tho, he can pull it off. Unfortunately he doesn't have any pix in his gallery. Hopefully I'll get to see it in person at a meet-n-greet at Lake Anna this summer.

How 'bout coming to Austin on 25 Jun & showing me what a real VX is supposed to look like?

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Originally Posted by LittleBeast

Your tires are over 2" more narrow than tom4bren's which would compensate for your 0 offset and bring yours back into the ballpark in which in my opinion looks pretty good. 1" to 1 and 3/4" sticking out of fenders in my opinion looks pretty good 2"+ gets into the um wow that is not supposed to look like that range, and Tom4bren's is 4"+ sticking out. I am not saying I don't like tom4bren's VX or trying to give him a hard time, my opinion though is that the VX looks better with only a little tread sticking out. The whole "offset" thing is pretty confusing anyways. It is much easier to look at the back spacing and tread sticking out.

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True, true. Offset is one aspect. When you go over 285 width with <=0 offset, the stance gets a bit awkward as well as additional stresses on suspension and axles...

And the oh so neat rooster tails from the front tires on wet roads.;)

I don't see us picking on you tom, it's just a matter of opinion like lifted or not lifted. Personally, I think your wide tire stance looks pretty cool, but I'd never go there for fear of vehicle inspections and extra stresses on the stock parts.

The coolest thing about the VX is how many ways we can express our selves with it. Just the difference in "attitude" between a lowered VX with 20" rims and one lifted with 15" rims is neat to see. (Not too many people can beat ldub and his tricked out personalization of his ride!!- you can hear it growl just looking at a picture) Some people do forget to be supportive as opposed to a bit critical.

cheers.

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Originally Posted by tom4bren

LittleBeast,

Y R U picking on me??? After all, NerveGas is running 36x13.50s on his 'beast' (no pun intended - that's what he calls it). BTW, he also uses 1.5 inch spacers to push them out even farther. I guess with a total of 7.5 inches of lift tho, he can pull it off. Unfortunately he doesn't have any pix in his gallery. Hopefully I'll get to see it in person at a meet-n-greet at Lake Anna this summer.

How 'bout coming to Austin on 25 Jun & showing me what a real VX is supposed to look like?

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Yeah I would like to see some pictures of NerveGas's VX as well. Sorry dude not trying to pick on you at all, I think Kenny said it best though. Your ride looks unique and I can see why you like it. It is really mean looking and great stance, it is just a little too much if I had a choice. I wouldn't want to put that kind of stress on my axles and back door, but you are pulling it off nicely. I would never suggest using spacers to push the wheels out further either but NerveGas's ride looks pretty mean too and he is pulling it off somehow. And as far as "showing you what a real VX is supposed to look like" dude you have a real VX and yours sits a little wider than mine, it doesn't make it more or less of a VX, it is just my opinion that I like a little less tread sticking out from the fender than you have on your VX. I am sure there are some people that think I have too much tread sticking out for their tastes. I get the side of mine dirty a lot quicker now with the wider tires. Each person has their own line as to what is too big or too wide. But thank goodness we all don't like exactly the same things, what a boring world that would be. And I would love to meet you and hang out June 25th, but I am flying out to the Olympic Trials on the 27th so I don't think I could make that.

Hope Y'all don't think that I'm serious about feeling picked on. It's just my warped sense of humor. I rarely take things too seriously.

I know that the "offset from hell" look (quoted from a thread long ago & far away) isn't for everyone. I like so I'm happy.

Personally, I'm not into the Kick Arse sound system so I'd prolly have similar comments to those who are (right Eric?).

I'm not into an electric fan conversion for 0.1% power increase so would have comments about that too (right Zeus?)

If I ever saw a VX that had been slammed & dripping with bling - I'd probably cry.

It's all a matter of opinion. In my opinion I'm right & you're wrong. It's all good.

My wheels will stick out about .25" further on each side than littleBeast... uh oh...

;)

Utah is pretty big on nailing those without proper fender coverage, so I could never pull of the Offset from Hell.

Plus it gives the police a reason to pull you over at any time :(

Otherwise I think it looks tough.

I was told that here in VA if I put a marker light over each wheel, they'll be completely legal. Didn't want to so I just found a station that would pass it 'as is'. So far my luck has held out (even drove 2.5 hours back from Shenandoah w/o rear tag & didn't get stopped).

In Utah, you have to have fender coverage, AND mudflaps, Which I'm already going to get hassled for (just guessing)

They're pretty strict... atleast they were when I was under 20. Fix it tickets about once a month.

Maybe now that I'm older I won't get hassled.

Not to resurrect this thread, but for future folks searching for wheel information.

Here is what a +10mm wheelset looks like with 33X12.5 Mudd Grapplers


http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...s/lifted05.jpg

Your photo is helpful. Maybe we could develop a picture catalog of wheel offsets/tire so other's can see what their beloved VX would look like with these different combinations.

Here is mine. +18mm offset with 285/60/18 Toyo AT
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da.../IMG_00028.JPG

Very good idea... and your picture is almost identical to how mine was shot. Maybe we should start a wheel offset thread wiki. Where People only post images like the ones we just posted.

Only give wheel specs:

Offset
Backspacing
Width

Tire specs:

Brand/model
Size: width height.

Very good idea. Your photo showed the offset well, so stepped outside, shot it, downloaded it, and uploaded in about 5 minutes to show what mine looked like.:)

wiki Started on first post...

Please others contribute to this thread :D

Richie,

Do you need me to take 'nuther pic or can you grab one from my gallery?

Tom