OME 912 vs. 913...what's the difference?!?

So a couple of weeks ago I ordered a set of OME 912's from Rocky Road. Then I sat back, contentedly waiting for delivery. Waiting. Waiting.

Finally, I called them today, just for a friendly update on shipping. Turns out THEY are waiting to receive a shipment of springs from ARB (ironically, ARB is right down the road from me in Seattle).

Rocky Road told me that they have no 912s in stock, but they have a set of 913 springs ready to ship TODAY, and they further claim that the 913s and 912s are very similar. The 913's MAY give a slightly softer ride...which frankly may not be a bad idea for the VX.

So: does anyone have real-world experience with either or preferably BOTH the 912s and the 913s? Should I wait another 2-3 weeks for the 912s, or jump on the 913s now?

I hope I dont hear good reviews of the 913's. I just got the 912's a month ago.

Call ARB and ask them to explain the diff.

You mean, call them instead of asking in here, or in addition to asking in here? I'm not sure that every ARB rep is required to test all of their OME springs on a Vehicross. :p

As a matter of fact, I DID call ARB in Renton, WA. Two weeks ago. After digging around for awhile, the sales rep said that they were essentially the same spring, except that the 912s are slightly longer = slightly more lift.

Rocky Road said that the 913s were "softer" = smoother ride. I hope that's the only difference! I also, believe it or not, searched this forum before making my post, and found some conflicting info. Some posts said the 912s were longer, some said the 913s were longer, some said they were the same but with different levels of resistance.

So, to sum up: ARB, Rocky Road and a lot of previous posts all gave different answers.

Which is why I made my post asking for anyone who has tested BOTH to please offer some input. I'm still hoping some kind soul steps forward with opinions, although I did already order the 913s....

I would say the 913's are longer considering the 919's are. It seems to make sense the higher the number the longer the spring.

Quote from official ARB reply: "Unfortunately we have no information on fitting the OME912 or OME913 springs to the Isuzu Vehicross. The OME912 springs were designed for a 2 door Frontera and the OME913 for a 5 door Frontera. Both are variable rated coils with the OME913 having 30mm more free height than the OME912."

See, now that's just WEIRD.

Rocky Road Outiftters swears that the 912 spring is 1/4" longer than the 913.

I'm stumped. It probably doesn't matter much...especially since I've already placed my order...but it shouldn't be so hard to find out the real difference between springs.

The ARB website is useless in that regard, BTW.

I'll report back when I get the springs installed. Maybe a week, since RR will ship them on Monday. Or Tuesday...isn't Monday a holiday?

If I had to make an assumption, I'd go with what the manufacturer (ARB) is telling you (see uncle_asa's reply above).

October 2004 and June 2006 ARB application guide North American Version both list the specs as follows.

Part #, Free Hight, # Coils, lbf/in spring rate, (application)

OME912, 420 mm, 10.8, 180-300 (medium load Trooper 92-02)
OME913, 390 mm, 9.3, 180-300 (medium Amigo/Rodeo 5door coil spring 98-02)
OME919, 430 mm, 10.8, 200-280 (heavy load Trooper 92-02)

bar diameter is same for each. 913 has lowest coil weight, 912 is + 0.8Kg and 919 is + 0.9Kg.

I verified the application guide is correct as it pertains to the OME912 and OME913 part numbers with a Rep at ARB-USA who cross checked for any updates.
I also cross checked in the Oct 2005 International Application guide and the specs are identical number for number, only the applications are listed as follows;

OME912 (medium load GM Frontera 95-98) and (medium Jackaroo/Monterey 92-2/2001)
OME913 (medium load GM Frontera 99+ 5 door)
OME919 (medium Jackaroo/Monterey 3/2001 - 04, Heavy load Jackaroo/Monterey 92-2/2001)

hope this information is helpful and clears up any confusion about the specs.

Welcome, Iceaxe! With clear informative posts like that, you will be a very welcome member of our community!

Please keep in mind (as I climb up onto my soapbox again) that the quality of your ride will depend on the BALANCE between your springs and you shocks. You can get softer springs for a smoother ride, but mismatching the shocks to the springs can ultimately give you a harder ride.

Good luck!

Well, after all was said and done, I went and installed the OME913's. Rancho RS9000s completed the package, and the ride is WONDERFUL. The lift height is just under 3" overall.

OME912s are probably great too...but count me as a BIG fan of the OME913s.

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Originally Posted by PHO2GR4

Well, after all was said and done, I went and installed the OME913's. Rancho RS9000s completed the package, and the ride is WONDERFUL. The lift height is just under 3" overall.

OME912s are probably great too...but count me as a BIG fan of the OME913s.

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So, 913 is higher than 912, right? Just wondering if someone can measure the height of the fender from the ground with the same tires but with 913 and 912 installed.
I wish to go with 32" tires and wish the minimum suspension lift which allows tires not touch fenders. I believe 1" should be enough, but I definetly don't want to end up with spacers.

Uncle-asa -

The quote you posted earlier seemed to imply that the 913 was a LONGER spring than the 912, but what iceaxe posted indicates the opposite. Both of your sources were from ARB, but if iceaxe was reading directly from a printed material, perhaps the person that replied to you was incorrect. How confusing...

Most of the Amigos I've seen sit fairly low stock, which would be consistant with a shorter 913 spring, but I think PHO2GR4 may be the first to use them, and his description makes it sound as if they are about the same height as the 912. 30 mm is a pretty small difference anyhow, but if we ever meet up we can compare heights because I have the 912's with Rancho9000's.

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Originally Posted by kpaske

Uncle-asa -

The quote you posted earlier seemed to imply that the 913 was a LONGER spring than the 912, but what iceaxe posted indicates the opposite. Both of your sources were from ARB, but if iceaxe was reading directly from a printed material, perhaps the person that replied to you was incorrect. How confusing...

Most of the Amigos I've seen sit fairly low stock, which would be consistant with a shorter 913 spring, but I think PHO2GR4 may be the first to use them, and his description makes it sound as if they are about the same height as the 912. 30 mm is a pretty small difference anyhow, but if we ever meet up we can compare heights because I have the 912's with Rancho9000's.

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30 mm is about 1.2" (but it's free height, so been in load it is anyway at least half inch, I think). That would be great if you can meet up and make a shoot of both VXs, so finally we found answer in practice ;Dy;

See the 'Pacific Northwest VX Meet: Seattle' thread! ;)

Both are the same load rate but the 912's are longer.

Call rock-road if you really want more info. Thats what I did and I do have the 912's installed with 265/75/16 - 32''

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Originally Posted by PHO2GR4

See the 'Pacific Northwest VX Meet: Seattle' thread! ;)

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So, when to expect the comparision pictures? ;) Just pushing ,)

Eric, lets put a photo shoot together to help solve this. My VX is stock except for the 285 60 18's. Lunch today?

John! Dammit! I'm at the office all day, doing Photoshop work. How about NEXT weekend? March 10th or 11th? Maybe the weather will cooperate for pictures!

PS: what were the STOCK tire dimensions for your 18" wheels? My 16 inchers used to wear 245/70/16's, but I don't know what the later 18" wheels came with...

The 285's must look BEEFY!

Works for me. Just say when and where since my weekends are always free. Nice and sunny here in Olympia, wait,.... it just turned cloudy again, oh well. You got to love Washington weather

I'll be installing my 913's soon (this week I hope) and I'll post all my #'s. I haven't decided what tire to go with on my new 16"s but for now I'm swapping the BFG 265/70-16's off the stock winter wheels and I might go to the 265/75-16 nitto terra's, then on my aftermarket 18"s which have 255/55 which will look odd with the lift I might install 285/60-18's Height on the nitto's are 265/75-16's are 31.54" and the 285/60-18's are 31.38" so they are close. Pic's and #'s coming soon...

Eric, the stock were the Dualer HT's @ 245 60 18, 92.875 circumference, 29.56 inch diameter.

The Toyo AT's are 285 60 18, 98.375 circumference, 31.31 inch diameter.

yes, beefy, brawny and just so F'in cool looking. Perfect tire for a non raised VX with 18 inch wheel for my taste. You'll see next week I hope.

I was just going through some old threads and found this and laughed my head off!! look what iceaxe wrote then see what vehigaz wrote and then look at how many posts iceaxe has... (both quotes are below.)

can i run the 913's with the stock shocks?

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Originally Posted by iceaxe

October 2004 and June 2006 ARB application guide North American Version both list the specs as follows.

Part #, Free Hight, # Coils, lbf/in spring rate, (application)

OME912, 420 mm, 10.8, 180-300 (medium load Trooper 92-02)
OME913, 390 mm, 9.3, 180-300 (medium Amigo/Rodeo 5door coil spring 98-02)
OME919, 430 mm, 10.8, 200-280 (heavy load Trooper 92-02)

bar diameter is same for each. 913 has lowest coil weight, 912 is + 0.8Kg and 919 is + 0.9Kg.

I verified the application guide is correct as it pertains to the OME912 and OME913 part numbers with a Rep at ARB-USA who cross checked for any updates.
I also cross checked in the Oct 2005 International Application guide and the specs are identical number for number, only the applications are listed as follows;

OME912 (medium load GM Frontera 95-98) and (medium Jackaroo/Monterey 92-2/2001)
OME913 (medium load GM Frontera 99+ 5 door)
OME919 (medium Jackaroo/Monterey 3/2001 - 04, Heavy load Jackaroo/Monterey 92-2/2001)

hope this information is helpful and clears up any confusion about the specs.

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Originally Posted by VehiGAZ

Welcome, Iceaxe! With clear informative posts like that, you will be a very welcome member of our community!

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There should be no problem at all to run with OME-913, there's lot of users who run with OME-912 and stock shocks. I'm currently have OME-913 installed with Tokico shocks designed for Trooper at the rear, but going to replace them back with stock soon.

CLOSURE:

If you've found this thread and read it to the end, look here for a MUCH more accurate and scientific comparison:

http://vehicross.info/forums/showthr...threadid=15476

Just installed 913s yesterday. I have about 50 miles on the some far and they are great so far. I currently have General Grabber AT2 265/70 16 and got 1.75" of lift for the install. To set my torsion bars I went by ride heights before and after, I will be visiting my thealignmentguy tomorrow to reset camber and check corner weights.