NOICE!! Really Clean and Crisp Ron! Reminds me I really need those skidplates!
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NOICE!! Really Clean and Crisp Ron! Reminds me I really need those skidplates!
This is a good tool to "preview" wheels on the vehicross
http://tbcwheels.ridestyler.com/?mode=webtk
This is the information I got for a 2001 Vehicross
Bolt Pattern: 6x139.7
Center Bore: 108
Wheel Load: 800
Min Offset: 0
Max Offset: 25
From the Vx.info Knowledge Base:Quote:
Originally Posted by VXD959
The 1999 VehiCROSS has 245/70R16 Bridgestone Duelers mounted on 16", 5 spoke aluminum alloy wheels.
2000, 2001 VehiCROSS use 245/60R18 Bridgestone Duelers mounted on 18", 18x7JJ, 5 spoke chromed, aluminum alloy wheels.
Offset = 38.0mm (1.50in)
Stud pattern = 139.7mm (5.50in)
************************************************** ****
Our OEM wheels are:
16" or 18" x 7"
Offset = 38
Stud/Bolt pattern: 6 x 5.5"
You need to KNOW these numbers when you select other rims.
In general, any larger rim will require some cladding trimming, the amount of trimming is determined by the size of the rim AND the TIRE SIZE you select. Review the chart below, you'll get a better visual of the issue.
Here's a good place to start, they have a real easy to use size comparer:
http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp
OEM TIRE size:
on 18": 245/60-18
on 16": 245/70-16
MY recent experience fitting new rims & tires when I went with 18x8" rims, +2 OFFSET. Rim is 1" wider than stock, so it causes rubber to rub much more significantly. (thread has all details)
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...ghlight=offset
Here's some info on how the sizing works.
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...eel_offset.gif
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...heeloffset.gif
First post here gives great data:
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...ghlight=offset
The place you're buying from should have experience and can tell you about sizing, once you tell them what OEM was - - BUT DON'T RELY ON THEM, THEY'RE OFTEN WRONG OR DON'T GIVE A FLIP.
.
Thanks Kat!! This is what I'm considering so far based on the information in the website. It says that it fit the VX:
http://www.rimsntires.com/wheelfit.jsp?wheelid=220763
Just want to make sure it's OK. From the website
18x9.0 PCD 6x139.7 (6x5.5) ET 12, 5.5"BS
DIRECT FIT package.
They offer different tire sizes to go with it, from 245 to 285's. I don't do off-road (light only). I might go for the Nitto's
Nitto
NT404 Street/Sport Truck All-Season tires
285/50R18XL (743x285mm)
http://www.rimsntires.com/tire.jsp?i...odel=Vehicross
18'' packages for 2001 Isuzu Vehicross
Package Price
Ultra 235B Maverick Machined/Black wheels
18x9.0 PCD 6x139.7 (6x5.5) ET12, 5.5"BS $217.67 each
wheels only:
$870.68
buy install kit included Full package: 4 wheels + 4 tires
+ install kit: $1,723.56
buy
Nitto
NT404 Street/Sport Truck All-Season tires
285/50R18XL (743x285mm) $213.22 each
tires only: $852.88
buy
DIRECT FIT package.
Just a few points….
Direct fit?
If they mean you just pop them on and everything fits…they're insane!
OEM width is 7" +38 offset
I went up to 8" wide (1" wider) with -2 offset
Mine required pretty extensive cutty/trimming of cladding, and chopping off/beating back the rear of the front wheel well.
With all this set up, my tires (265/60-18) stick out about 1/2" beyond the fender cladding.
You're looking at a 9" rim (2 full inches wider than stock)
AND an offset of +12
That means your proposed RIM will fit further OUT by 10mm (about 1/2") than mine and 50mm over stock.
AND 1/2" of wider rim OUTWARD than mine (1" extra outward over stock) You get this number by dividing the total width gain by 1/2 as half sticks outward, and half of it sticks INWARD.
RESULT: You've got a LOT of trimming and a LOT of BFH work :smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: to accomodate all that WIDTH in the front.
And 50 aspect tires :eek::eek: that's really wide!!
Think about the swing arc of the rim (and whatever tire you put on) in a turn. Since it's so much wider than stock, it's going to hit various parts of the wheel well turning both left and right.
I know some owners have done it, and some have decided not to.
I think Tom4Bren is one example of pretty high negative offset. You can see how his rims/tires stick out beyond fender.
I'm sure the gang will chime in here with "how to" and other tips etc….:thumbup:
HTH!
Here's pics for comparison.
First pic is my new set-up. 8" wide rims, +2 offset, 265/60-18 tires.
Second pic is old set up (OEM rim) 7" wide rims, -38 offset, 285/60-18 tires (larger than OEM).
See the wider stance with the new set up?
Check out where the red shackle falls on each.
But the old tires ARE LARGER width!
That's because the OEM -38 offset, keeps the rubber tucked inside the well much more.
Last pics show how my tires stick out past fender now.
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSCN1248.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...S/DSC_5021.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSCN1210.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSCN1245.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSCN1218.jpg
Thanks!!! I will keep looking. I'm wondering if a 17" rim will make a difference vs 18's. It seems that the -38 offset is a major factor. Most wheels are +0. I will contact you via PM as I narrow my search. My OEM wheels are peeling real bad!!!
33x12.50x15 General Grabbers on 15x10 AR 39s.
2.5" T Bar Crank.
Lots of trimming.
Lots of sanding.
Lots of fun.
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...s/IMG_0370.JPGhttp://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da.../IMG_03691.JPG
thats some mean lookin' rubber brother
Thanks man! I screwed up the post when I attached the images, but I'm still learning how to use this thing.
Man I gotta tell you, these tires are awesome. Great offroad, surprisingly quiet on the highway, but a little slick in the rain. Tires that big don't really lend to anyone driving like a jerk anyway either, so I guess its all good.
Thanks again.
-Stevil
Looks good. How far they stick out?
Just to clarify, the OEM offset is +38Quote:
Originally Posted by VXD959
All wheel / tires stores I have talked to are telling me that I can put 18 x 9 as long as the offset is lower than +38 (they told me that I can fit -12 to 12 offset without rubbing)! I'm already running Terra Grapplers 285-60-18 and the previous owner did some trimming at the front. I just want to swap the OEM 18 x 7 with 18 x 9's using the same tire combo.
When I use the information here
http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp
and using the same +38 offset, this is what I get:
Clearance: Package 1 Package 2
Suspension Assuming that this is OEM wheel/tire and there is no any problems with clearance on both sides >>> The same.
Fenders The same.
Wheelwells The same.
Some it seems that there is no real difference???
If I use a lower offset (+12), I get
Clearance: Package 1 Package 2
Suspension Assuming that this is OEM wheel/tire and there is no any problems with clearance on both sides >>> 100% clear (leaves even more room than OEM)
Fenders Package will stick out 26 mm (1'') farther. Make sure that you have enough room under the fender. If not, consider narrower tires or higher offset.
Wheelwells The same.
Still confused???
Personally, I found our hub size of 4.25" (aka "pilot diameter" in the above figure) as the biggest obstacle to finding proper wheels... Most big Chevy trucks use 3" hub and DO NOT fit on VX :(.
Thank you Leon R. The wheels I was planning on ordering online say "hub bore 106.10", which is 4.19". I called and they told me that it won't fit the 4.25" (108mm) hub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leon R
Will a larger wheel hub be a problem (110mm to 125mm)?
Dan, following up on our PM here... where are you looking to get them?
-V
The ~3" is the popular Chevy size that doesn't work on VX.Quote:
Originally Posted by VXD959
4.25" (108mm) definitely works and 4.17" (106mm) might still work. I wouldn't rule it out just yet.
Edit: judging by this thread: http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...3188&highlight
Both 108mm and 106mm should work ;)
Thanks for the info in your PM. It seems that Leon R directed me to the correct answer (Thanks!!!). Our hub should be 100-101mm according to the link, so anything above that will fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendetta
Here's where I'm looking
http://4wheelonline.com/ultra-wheels.1946
Let me know if there is another good online place!
Looks like you're good to go, brother! I want a buck every time someone compliments the wheels though. ;)
Enjoy 'em. I love the way they look!
-V
Just got back from Afghanistan and itching to spend some on upgrades. First are badly needed new tires-so I might as well go bigger in size.
Anyone have a side-view photo of eternal21's setup with the 18" Gear Blackjack Rim/Nitto Terra Grapplers? a few pages back? I am doing the same setup. (not intentional, I ended up getting a good deal on Discount Tire for the 285/60R-18 XL 120S B tires and was looking for black rims.
Just want to see what I am in for in terms of how far they stick out from the fenders. Hard to tell in the 3/4 views. I see lots of people here at Fort Benning who run with tires outside the wheel wells, just planning ahead for when I move yet again.
Installed my new wheels today. Gear Nitro's 18x9s, +18 offset on NTG 285x60x18.
My VX had some trimming already done when I bought it.
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad300/dbeux/012.jpg
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/a...beux/017-1.jpg
I took off my Cepek DC9s last week and replaced them
with these..
I did alot of work to these rims BEFORE I actually installed
them. They dont come looking like this from the factory.
http://www.motorsportwarehouse.com/space/worx9.jpg
http://www.motorsportwarehouse.com/space/worx10.jpg
17x9 +12 offset which sits the rim out some for what I consider
a better stance them higher offsets...
265-65-17 Continental tires
no offense but after spending all that money and time on your wheels an $8 bottle of turtle wax trim restorer would go a long way for your cladding - unless you like the faded look - either way the wheels and vx look great you dont see trios much anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Vehi-Cross-Az
Ive been busy..
not to mention the az sun fades the cladding out here like
every 3 months no matter what you apply to them..
after a while, you just live with it.
poor truck needs paint too :(
First attempt but I thought they had a little too much offset for my liking:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/image2.jpeg
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/Front10.jpg
Rims are: Unique Wheel Series 252 15x10 -44mm Backspacing 3 3/4"
Tires are: Goodyear Wrangler MT/R 33x12.5 r15
Lifted: 3" Calmini springs and torsion crank
Trimming: Front wheel-well both for and aft and BFH. Note: still had rubbing on aft cladding and well with wheel cranked
Second attempt with narrower rim made for the offset I desired:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/NewSide2.JPG
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/NewSide.JPG
Rims are: American RacingAR 767 15x8 -12mm Offset 4" Backspacing
Tires are: Goodyear Wrangler MT/R 33x12.5 r15
Lifted: 3" Calmini springs and torsion crank
Trimming: Front wheel-well both for and aft and BFH. Note: No longer rubbing with wheel cranked.
One thing I didn't really comprehend is how offset and backspacing relate to rim width. I was concerned with how far the wheels protruded from the cladding. I wanted enough so that when off-roading the tire walls would contact rocks before cladding damage occurred. But I didn't want too much sticking out, this is subjective, what is too much for me is desirable to others. But think of it this way: an 8 inch rim width with a 0 offset will have about 4" of backspace. But a 10 inch rim with 4" of backspace will stick out 2" more than the 8" rim since 5" inches is the rims center point. For some reason I was thinking a 10" rim with the same backspacing as an 8" would stick out only 1 more inch.
Like you said, it's all a matter of preference. IMHO, the deeper dish of the wheels with more offset looked mo betta.Quote:
Originally Posted by bartmanS4
Any more info on this build? I am also interested in doing…the exact same thing. Will they fit with a 912 or OME build?Quote:
Originally Posted by kodiak
I just put those same wheels in 16" on my 91 Trooper. Be aware they have a pretty positive offset. Originally, I put 265/75s on the Trooper and I had rubbing on the frame at full lock. I took off the 265/75s (will be putting them on the VX) and put some 235/85s on the Trooper and I get no rubbing now.
http://www.isuzugeek.org/forumpics/trooper/new91/28.jpg
They look classic and nice I think.
Bart
Yep that's the kind of look I was going for with these aluminum wheels...Quote:
Originally Posted by kodiak
Cooper Zeon LTZ 285-60-18 (31.5" diameter)
KMC Enduro Wheels 18x9 zero offset (I think)
Stock ride height etc. Front bumper needed a good trim and the front wheel liner needed a good trim in back and a BFH pounding but it was easy and looks fine.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4844/img1352i.jpg
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4420/img1360ox.jpg
I was changing my wheels over from winter (31's) to summer (33's) and happened to have a stock size tire too. So I posted these pictures in case some of you are interested in a side by side comparison.
These are stock for a '99 245/70r16 then Gen Grabbers AT2 265/70r16 and GoodYear MT/R 33/12.5r15
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/TiresSBS.JPG
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...TiresSBS2.jpeg
After nearly a year of trying to decide which wheel/tire combo to go with, I settled on keeping the stock rims with Nitto Terra Grappler 285/60-18. For anyone else on the fence, this is by far the best thing I have done for my VX.
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/VX_17.jpg
finally took a pic. i know its late, but it was worth the wait.
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...225_173657.jpg
I'm in trouble!!!
My tires won't make the trip, so I need a new set before SUNDAY!!!
I want to keep the stock rims, I drive like my VX is a sports car and I NEVER EVER take it off road. I would like to have something that looks "cool" to match everything else but at this point, Im not sure what will happen.
I'm still coming to Moab, but I really need help!!!
Can someone point me in the direction of a cool looking tire, something that will look right but that can hug corners???
PLEASE HELP!!
I'm going to re-post this message again on the Moab thread just in case everyone doesn't read this one.
I really really appreciate any help!!
I've run Kumho Ecsta STX tires for many years, and think they handle great in all weather. They fit the stock rims without any lift or trimming, and look good. A little wider than stock, but not too wide for the rims (like 285 series.) In stock at Tirerack.com.
I'd been looking for a Volk TE-37 type wheel for offroad and I found these wheels on the Tacoma World forum. They are 18x9 zero offset 108mm hub FN Wheels BFD.
I had them powdercoated Lollypop Red over Super Chrome and had the brush bar done to match. The top red coat is transparent so they really have a lot of depth to the shine.
The tires are 285/65R18 Nitto Terragrapplers. Since they are zero offset they rubbed a lot. I had to do about 8 turns on the torsion bars, trim the front cladding and also unbolt the bracket in the back of the front wheel well and drill a new hole further back to pull the plastic back.
The cladding has one coat of Showroom New black dye applied with the foam roller, really happy with how it turned out.
http://i.imgur.com/9uNibCe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YvTizw3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/INZXj5q.jpg
NICE.. ( glad ya figured out the pic posting :thumbup:)
Maybe a tad nose high?
If you feel same..
... OME springs in back would help offset the
Torsion bar crank "lift" up front.
Good looking VX :thumbup:
Jo
Looks great Alaskan7
Very original and well done. Perfect rim offset too IMO. :thumbup:
Must have been quite a lift you put on your dog too!! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by alaskan7
:p
Ive had these 20" wheels and Falken tires sitting in my showroom
ready to put on my VX now for a yr and today decided to put them
on and see how I like them.
(my 17" worx are still ready to go back on if I decide I dont like these.)
but these are growing on me fast, but the 17" have a lot of positives too.
http://www.motorsportwarehouse.com/space/vxs3.jpg
Wheels: 18x8.0 Lodio Drive Pure Spirits Limited 3pc wheels
Tires: 285x60r18 Geolander AT/s
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...psf00a84b2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps9d589f4f.jpg
Tires: 265-75-16 Yokohama geolander MT
Wheels: Kosei 16 8jj offset 0
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...o/IMG_3074.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/CK...JoA=w1358-h763
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-W...o/IMG_3077.JPG