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Did anyone think that the pics of the helo were a bit strange? The tail was very hokey looking, especially the side shot where you can see some SLOPPY welds. Even if it is some kind of special "stealth" copter, being used to avoid all of the radar mounts at the ol'compound, the rear rotor would not be exposed like that. It would be an easy radar ping. I also thought it weird that it was intact and appeared undamaged? This all reeks of conspiracy.
Elvis has company?.....
Yep, with 2pac, they are working on a new album together. Obama is gonna beat box for it, Hillary will be a video ho...lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by VXjunky
MAKE IT CLAP HILLARY!!!
album title....."geronino EKIA"
According to my sources (San Diego IS home of the Seals after all...)...
..they airlifted the cardboard cut out "stealth" helicopter tail bit into Pakistan.
Then dropped it in the compound to confuse people (seems to be working!).....
....quickly unwrapped a ( biodegradable )Piņata (happy cinco!) ......
....that exhibited an uncanny resemblance to OBL....
...merrily toasted to the success with Pepsi and nestle crunch bars....
...then scurried back to the carrier....where they all took turns
beating on it with a baseball bat before tossing it over the side to rot.
Seriously...thats da truth.
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jo
ahhhh...the ol trojan horse ploy
What I learned in this thread is that no matter how many times something is clarified, some will always choose to "hear" what is being said in whatever way best suits their own opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZEUS
The helicopter crashed due to pilot error by not putting the nose of the helicopter "deeper" (nose first) inside the compound interior yard. Of course, the US Military isn't going to admit that there was an error during an elite SEALS mission (thus, they blamed it on mechanical failure, not pilot error). As a result, the pilot didn't clear the rear tail boom of the UH-60 aircraft during his landing approach and it clipped the high concrete fencing and broke the tail section completely off at mid-point just before landing. That's why the rear portion of the tail rotor area was undamaged because the tail boom was broken off at mid-point (not end-point).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
It does appear that the tail rotor blades were "encased" in a protective circular shroud. It may or may not be because of stealth, but rather just as a protective measure that the bare ends of the tail rotor blades aren't exposed to catch on things such as wires or tree branches when coming in close quarters. The protective tail rotor shroud encasement would also likely help reduce tail rotor noise and make the overall aircraft somewhat quieter (although not by much).
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Wow marlin, your a Birther and a Deather all rolled into one!
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Originally Posted by Osteomata
No way that is a black hawk tail, its not the right shape. A blackhawk tail rotor is at the top of the rotor, not the middle.
http://desktopwallpaper-s.com/wallpa...Helicopter.jpg
I went through all the pics of our current military choppers, its either a new "special" copter, or its fake. Either is possible, but with all the screwed up misinformation, especially since they watched the 40 minute mission live, you pick which one you want to believe.
As for the tall walls, those walls aren't that big, and if the rotor clipped the wall, it would have exploded spinning at xthousand RPMs. Those rotor blades are 100% intact and so is the wall. Perhaps the Arabs have super strong crappy bricks? I have seen what happens when a prop hits the flight deck of an ARMORED aircraft carrier, if it can chew up steel, it would demolish brick.
LOL..no kidding!
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Originally Posted by Osteomata
I'm guessing that maybe..just maybe...
...the conspiracy theory protagonists are (in general) simply anti Obama.
Ya think...:_thinking
jo
Here is the pic of the wrecked chopper tail. How are those rotor blades intact?!
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/C...a.grid-6x2.jpg
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Originally Posted by JoFotoz
Not even close, its not that we are anti-obama, its that we are anti-gigantic, breast feeding, hand holding, money leeching government.
Yeah, when especially when you refer to the CinC as huntin lions in Kenya AND gangbangin in Chicago.
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Originally Posted by JoFotoz
Yup, that's all part of the US Government cover-up. Blame it on "a stall", "a vortex", "or prop-wash" (which BTW is all total BS)-- it's still comes down to Pilot Error. More accurately, it was a simple case that the Pilot didn't hover more forward (deeper, nose first) in an effort to clear the tail boom of the aircraft on the surrounding high concrete fencing.Quote:
Originally Posted by deermagnet
What should of happened is the sister UH-60 Pilot of the accompany helicopter should have hovered adjacent to the first helicopter and acted as an "aerial spotter" and directed the first landing pilot to pull more forward into the interior yard. Consequently, the first pilot would have cleared the rear concrete fencing and not clipped it on his inbound approach.
The SEALS troop personnel rehearsed the invasion over-n-over for months. It appears that the pilots of the UH-60 BlackHawks didn't rehease jack squat or panicked and got stage-fright once the real deal went live. The pilots should have rehearsed the landing also with a mock-up landing environment complete with high surrounding walls, and used the sister pilot of the adjacent UH-60 as an "aerial spotter" for the first pilot. It's all about prior event training and rehearsal, rehearsal, rehearsal, before committing to the real thing.
It was a very expensive lesson learned (UH-60's aren't cheap), and luckily the accident didn't thwart the overall mission; no one got hurt, and a fellow CH-47 Chinook helicopter was able to extract the remaining SEALS and crew from the downed UH-60 BlackHawk. I'm sure the Pilot & Co-Pilot of the crashed UH-60 BlackHawk are no longer assigned to the SEALS unit due to their mistake.
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You tell him Marlin. And be sure and turn in your family's Tri-Care cards, don't want none of that socialized single payer medicine.;)
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Originally Posted by Marlin
Not sure how that relates, I perform a service for my benefits. The average person rarely spends more than 50 hours at work, certainly not away from home for months at a time at a fraction of their civilian counterpart's pay. Furthermore, my government cohorts, IRS, FBI, Federal Civilian and so on get FAR more benefits than I get. I am moving to washington state from Charleston, 3200 miles, I have to pay for my own house hunting costs, flight, hotel and whatnot and I don't have a choice in my move, they order me where to go. If I was a fed civ, they would pay my leave, my flight, reimburse my travel, even help me sell my house! They get matched TSP (our 401K) contributions and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osteomata
Back to the scheduled conspiracy discussion! Sheeple Unite!!!!
So if Bush was still in office......
...you would still be taking the same conspiracy line?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
I have to say..I doubt it.
And JBTW...
Breast feeding....like the handout of $'s to American Auto Co's
Hand holding......like the handout of $'s to Wall Street
Money leeching...remind me, whats was the name of that company Chainey had a rather big interest in...oh yea..Haliburton.
Seems to me that plenty of " financial hand holding" goes on both ways.....
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jo
Your overall compensation, too include 100 % full family medical coverage, an extraordinary retirement plan, tax exempt BHA and other allowances, etc are competitive to civilian jobs for people with equivalent skill sets. Your deployments result in additional pay and allowances, often tax exempt. You can receive house hunting leave, leave and proceed time, travel allowance, moving allowances, separation allowances, base housing, house finding assistance, and any number of government funded programs to help your family be, well and fare. Your gov civ comrades have just as many complaints as you. DoS FSOs just had their oversees housing COLA slashed to next to nothing, as an example, and their matched TSA doesn't come close to military retirement advantages.
But to address your larger point, big gov programs are exactly what you have done and been supported by your entire career.
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Originally Posted by Marlin
I just spent some time going through my post, I didn't see any mention of Bush in there. Thought maybe all the radioactive fallout was getting to me;) You make many assumptions fellow VX owner. That is why I said its not just anti-obama, although, if I were having heart surgery, I wouldn't pick the surgeon with no experience just because he was a smooth talker. I wouldn't pick the surgeon that spent the most money on his pitch. I would pick one with experience in his field.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
Stuff is out of control, we have developed this lazy,entitled society. I experience it everyday, I have to take kids out of high school and make them into top notch nuclear operators and we only have 18 months to do it. From public school level to bachelors degree in 12 months, plus 6 months OJT. They complain that we don't give em enough time for video games, their rooms aren't big enough, its not fair that they have so much homework and that we should have one on one tutors to help them. We fight this battle everyday, we fight with the W.O.W. addictions and sheer laziness.
It seems that everyday we get closer and closer to the world portrayed in Idiocracy. Someone please tell me what to do!!! I can't make my own decisions!
I understand what you are saying, but do we need to spend hundreds of millions on a train from vegas to disney? There are so many crazy govmnt programs out there! We give away BILLIONS in aid to foreign countries? We are special programming ourselves into a debt that can never be paid back. It may be part of the plan, perhaps they will just wipe the slate clean:bgwb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Osteomata
I did see an article that Obama is evaluating a new tax, because we don't have enough for the average person already. In addition to fuel tax, they are considering a mileage tax. When you pay for fuel, a GPS recorder will calculate miles driven and you will pay an additional fee at the pump based on your mileage.
So no helicopter tail even bears a remote resemblance to that tail assembly?
Doesn't seem like so much of a stretch once you add suppressors, cones, etc.
Apparently you didn't look hard enough.
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I love all the conjecture and forensic crash site experts by the way. Some of you guys should be working for CSI being able to judge an entire flight scenario from a photo of a tail assembly lying beside a wall with absolutely no context or knowledge of whether it's been moved, further disassembled, etc.
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Sorry Chris...but that dog won't hunt...:smilewinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
I have no party affiliation...they ALL make me ILL...;puke:
If you wanna label me anything I guess it would be libertarian.
However, the point made has a flaw.
Those morons you're trying to train, came up through the educational system overseen by the last two term prez...:slap:
Obama shot this down from the get go. It was never proposed or evaluated by him. Ray LaHood brought it up in reference to a program Oregon has toyed with, and when it was asked what the President thought about it, it was immediately said that it wasn't even considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
Look we can go round and round on this but you actually don't get what I'm saying if you can't see that a choice between totally freaking free base housing or completely tax free BHA is not a benny, and that is just one example. So from me, a guy who did a full career as well, and now spends a my work days along side many of those other mollycoddled federal employees you seem so jealous of, it just sounds like your whining, plane and simple. You made your rate.
Our foreign aid, aside from the disastrous never ending wars the last admin got us into, represents half of one percent of the federal budget, and for which we gain a great deal of access and influence over those same foriegn governments.
Our marginal tax rate is lower than it has ever been in modern history, far lower than during the Reagan administration. We have one of the lowest tax burdens of all the industrialized nations, with which we provide the lowest social safety net.
As for your mileage tax and big brother GPS conspiracy theory: Ray LaHood says a lot of really silly stuff, and the Obama administration shoved that one back down his pie hole immediatly after he wandered off the reservation in an interview. So when you say you saw an article, you mean you heard from an ill informed partisan hack that conveniently forgot to mention that it was bs.
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Originally Posted by technocoy
LOL, good thing this is the VX site and not a FAA site, relax everybody, this is just a boredom website, nothing official:cooly: (I couldn't secret service smiley with the glasses and ear piece)
Is that bottom photo from the compound or some other crash? If its from the compound, thats not the same wreckage...
Not to mention that all these kids are brought up in a society where people are allowed to let their kids do whatever the hell they want and are never held accountable. Now, that of course leads to other conversations like parent's being overworked and therefore not home enough... Not being able to support a family on single incomes anymore etc, etc. There is a ton of grey area, but to assume that all kids that come out of school are part of some mass welfare society is a little insane. Kids are failing in all regards because we don't value education in this country, period, and kids' don't get their asses kicked anymore, and they also get handed 300-500 dollar gadget at the drop of a hat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
I live in the "up and coming" part of a pretty recent yuppy invasion neighborhood downtown. I put out an email to the "community message board" last week asking if there were any young teenagers that wanted to mow my grass for 20 bucks a pop when I didn't have time. Not only did not one teenager want to do it, I got berated by parent's who actually called me an advocate of "Child labor".
I was mowing lawns to pay for my Atari and Freestyle bikes, Tools, lumber for my treehouse, etc from the time I was 9 and 10 years old. Other chores even younger. There is no work ethic being instilled by PARENT's... That has jack to do with our government.
That said, I'm not defending the excess spending as it makes me pretty sick as well, but to attack aid programs without talking about military cuts or mid term tax increases it ridiculous.
Marlin,
It's the same tail section just flipped vertically as they drag it. The thing that I think is throwing people off is that first image (I think you linked to it) is the one getting passed around the most and it has a lot of foreshortening going on in the image. Its hard to make out the shape because it's pointing right at you, as if you were looking straight down on the tail rotor head.
Once again, you speak the same thoughts, just with FAR more eloquence than I'll ever be able to muster...:yesgray:Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
I salute You Sir...http://www.firstfighterwing.com/Foru...ley_salute.gif
:_beer::_beer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
Damn love fest.
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Originally Posted by Osteomata
Tag Team back again check it top
Wreck it - let's begin
Party people let me hear some noise
DC's in the house jump jump and rejoice
There's a party over here
a party over there
Wave your hands in the air
Shake the deriere
These three words mean you're gettin' busy
Whoomp there it is
whoomp there it is
:bwgy:
we don't like it when the city lights start fading
when the city lights fading then we can't get down
we don't like it when the city people act crooked
when the city people crooked then we can't get down
we don't like it when the city pidgeons break wings
when the pidgeons break wings then we can't get down
we don't like it when the city fire starts spreading
when the city fire's spreading then we can't get down
HAHAHAHAHHA!
The irony here is that I listen to very little hip hop. Haha.
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Originally Posted by Ldub
You really think two terms of presidency can make or break an educational system? Think again! It has been going down for far longer.
It is not so much the system but the parenting of the pupils in the system.
I would like to believe that EIGHT YEARS is enough time to effect SOME positive change on at least one or two things...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
Seriously John???...he was the edumufucashun presididn't...staying the extra twenty minutes to finish the last sentence while the WTC towers fell.
He was HANDS ON...or at least trying to match wits with a first grader...:laughing:
Oh, Osama is dead right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Its much to intricate for 8 years to change. Someone could easily say he was cleaning up another incumbent's mess.
His personal education would not directly effect the nation's students. That is what advisors are for.