I also have Zero "salesmen", all are family and friends or friends of family. Just personal users of it.
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I also have Zero "salesmen", all are family and friends or friends of family. Just personal users of it.
I hate to tell you but your mom is the definition of a saleswoman.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
A salesman or woman approaches a customer, not the other way around.
At least thats how I look at it.
If she is or isn't - who cares, I don't. At least she is helping others with their issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqPBmERC7OU
discovery channel on Moringa.
Rwanda: planted 400,000 to assist their issues
http://allafrica.com/stories/200711050113.html
A country like this would not spend its income on anything like this if it was not seen and witnessed to help.
I agree. I try to buy organic on any animal product because of hormones and antibiotics.:yesb:Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
I talked my mother into a Free Range Turkey for Thanksgiving. Looking forward to it. I have had free range chicken but not a turkey yet.
Another source....
http://moringafact.com/wp-content/up...from-Ghana.pdf
From the Moringa Association of Ghana.
"Free Range" is a joke. According to the FDA to be labeled "Free Range" the animal must have access to outdoor feeding areas. They do not specify how much access. The specifics are not mandated.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
So typically what happens is that a large industrial poultry farmer that wants to hike up his prices and justify it by putting "free range" on the label raises the birds as normal, in the same pens and conditions as non-free range birds until adolescence. Then they will open the doors to the barn for an hour or so a day to let them be "free" Woo Hoo!
Problem is, by that time the birds are so acclimated to their cramped conditions that the outdoor environment is scary as hell, so very few ever even leave their cages, let alone the barn. They sit in their cages and eat the free food that they dont have to go out and walk around for just like they have for their entire lives.
I'm not saying most free range producers do this, but I cannot see why they wouldn't and nothing is stopping them from doing so.
Just another example of getting suckered into buying bogus, meaningless products.
Relevant to this thread perhaps?
And a just a couple of countries over, the president of Gambia cured AIDS too!Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
It appears to be a decent staple crop, but your credulity regarding what constitutes proof is magnificent.
@Grif - I should have stated that its coming from a local small time farm. Luckily it is more free range than that. I honestly did not know exactly all that you stated, when it came to larger free range farms. Thanks for the info.
Here is the link to some turkey I saw sold at a local health food store:
http://www.marysturkeys.com/
:laugho::laugho: that's a good one! Yeah, right, I'm sure he's cured AIDS! :rollo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Biko
Did I mention that I prefer free range gin n tonics?
I like free range toast...:drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anita
Especially if they replace the raisins with free range crickets...:yesgray:
I like toast soldiers:yesb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
As little as 200 years ago every body ate free range and locally produced eevrything as there was no other option. The averag age to live was less than 40 people seldom kept there own teeth for more than 30 years and they smelled bad and grew to very small size. Now in 200 years we have created hormones and vacines and we now grow larger are far more healthy and average life expectancy is 80 years. This new age hippy healthy lifestyle is not a healthier lifestyle or a cure for anything. The only reason we see new and more disease is people now live about 3 times longer than they used to.
Incorrect. Enough said.
WHOA! Better mix up your concoction, something is wrong... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
That, & the fact that everything today is disinfected to the Nth degree...:rolleyesgQuote:
Originally Posted by circmand
Kids now-A-days don't get exposed to Near the amount of germicidal nastiness as in decades gone by...poor little buggers gots no immune system I tell you...no built up resistance at all.
Just wait, you'll see... when most of us robust healthy old codgers die off, the zombie revolution is gonna be a cakewalk...:laughing:
:laughing:.:yesgray:.:laughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZEUS
Now I have a little more time on my hands.
1. The average life expectancy on Earth is not 80 but under 70.
2. 40 does not go into 80 3x
The reason the average life was lower in the past in comparison to today is the fact that their was little to no scientific research and developement of things like vaccines which are making us live longer. Old diets were much better than ours currently and your adjectives show just that. To make sure we are on the same page and to clarify, diets of the past did not make them live a shorter life and our current diets do not make us live longer. It is the X factors that play the major role here. It is a fact that lifestyle dieseases are increasing at an unseen pace. We have more control over this than say polio or MMR. Sorta like Ldub said our immune systems are not what they should be since we are not exposed to the same as our ancestors. The mentioned hormones are just one reason that we become ill. All of this further solidifies the idea of supplementing what we consume in order to prevent. Its not a hippy lifestyle, it is simply science and techonolgy.
I cant find anything back more than 150 years but current male life expectancy is 78.5 and in 1850 it was 38.3. more than double not quite triple another 50 years it would even be further. That snake oil you are selling may make you feel healthier but it is making youimagine and hallucinate facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
Gimme the hippie lifestyle! :flower: ...that way I at least know WHEN I am hallucinating! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
Give me a big old steak, baked potato with butter, corn on the cob and a big old slice of Turtle pie for desert. I may not be purty but no carnivore every got brought down by beef broth in their vegetable stew. Really look at the so called healthy lifstyle folks. Pale, nomuscle tone they look like mashed potatosQuote:
Originally Posted by ZEUS
I don't see how anyone can make a definitive statement on the subject when it seems like every other week even "science" is announcing that one of their own earlier findings is now incorrect.
Just to make sure. I come no where near a hippy lifestyle. I consume pizza almost 4 times a week. I work at our family's place or stop by to check on things 5 days a week.
I consume Moringa to subside my back pain and sinus and allergy problems. Which it has. You could say I drink my Zija so I can play how I want to and not suffer one bit from various factors.
Moringa has been around for AGES just not in the USA long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqPBmERC7OU
Forgot to reply to this a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ascinder
Stevia turned up to be pretty good.
Like him or P90X or not but he praises Moringa.
http://tonyhortonsworld.com/benefits...-moringa-leaf/
Someone I have never heard of, who has no expertise or training, and has gotton rich hawking stuff posted a positive message about this next great thing on the internet. Forget what doctors and science says I am listening to this guy because he says stuff I want to hear. Powder up an over priced leaf in your drink at each meal and you will lose weight (or gain weight if you need it) cure your cancer, acne and become irresistable to women. Thank god these people who have no experience or background exist so that they can discover somethingthat has been around for centuries has all these therapuetic qualities that modern science and the entire medical field around the world have been unable to discover.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
Just more snake oil for the 21st century
You want a real miracle cure? Diet and exercise.
OPINION PIECE...PLEASE BE ADVISED...OPINION BEING STATED HERE:
Have to agree 100% with circmand here. Having a healthcare degree and working in hospitals and healthcare for 25 yrs, I know it's not a grand conspiracy by ALL physicians and ALL scientists and ALL health care providers and ALL business interests. Most healthcare providers are motivated and dedicated to help their fellow man/woman, and yes, some are also motivated by money.
IF there was some fabulous, miraculous, wonderful health benefits from any substance, the scientific and medical community would be all over it in a New York Minute...well, since NY is in the middle of a snowpocalypse, maybe a I should say a nanosecond.
If there was money to be made, then the healthcare providers motivated by such would be all over it....
And the for-profit business sector would ALSO be all over it......(more so than just the MLM/pyramid individuals)
If something was truly successful for weight loss, the entire U.S. would be all over it, given the recent obesity epidemic!!
IMO, it's just not possible that this product can be THAT miraculous and be such a well kept secret from millions and millions of well-meaning, knowledgable people. Consider the long list of marketing darlings that have made similar claims and have either passed into oblivion or not solved the world's health problems despite years and years of marketing...... HerbaLife, Acai berry, Shaklee, Amway's vitamins come to mind.....
And let's not forget the many-times-over proven placebo effect.
I respect everyone's right to do as they please, and use whatever products they wish. I'm just stating my opinion and rationale for not believing in this one.
Agree 100% with kat and circmand. I also find it laughable that the OP uses, as one of his primary arguments, the idea that this must be True and Good because no Dr would ever put his name and reputation on the line for this product if it were not. Heaven forfend! I can't tell if that is willfully naive or intentionally deceptive. One merely needs to watch late night infomercials to perceive the lie there. MDs are human, and thus just as susceptible to corruption or self delusion or "harmless" little lies for the sake of profit as anyone else. What do the double blind tests show? What does the peer reviewed literature on the subject actually say, versus the distorted implications of the OP? Bunk.
Apparently the Drs that agree the product is good are infallible and honest and true and wouldnt lieQuote:
Originally Posted by Osteomata
But the majority of Drs who say snake oil and put their names to that are part of a vast conspiracy and are all lieing.
It has been a couple months and I will honor the member's request to keep them private since this thread turned the way it did but since the start of the thread here are a couple results within us:
#1. I roughly months was able to go off their blood pressure and cholesterol medicine. They were examined by a Dr. who agreed "that whatever they are doing, continue, as it poses no harm." - They are just a user and wanted to feel it out before giving any other family members any.
#2 Has lost 35 pounds in roughly the same time frame and decided to share the products early on to others that asked what was working for them. At this point and time all of their family's (Husband, wife and 1 teenager) product is paid for. All is well and they are doing great.
I am not sure what other sources you would like other than the previous:
John Hopkins School of Medicine
US National Library of Medicine
National Institute of Health
Here are the first few when I just searched google:
http://earthnews.pinaymom.org/2011/0...ural-medicine/
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?re...11763&page=247
http://herbalmiracles.blogspot.com/2...kelor-for.html
It is widely evident through various sources that our fruits and vegetables are not as nutritious as they once were. It should be easy to see why, hormones, seeds and genes of plants picked for crop production (profit) vs. nutrition.
http://newhope360.com/vegetables-are...hey-were-1950s
http://www.downtoearth.org/blogs/200...0-50-years-ago
Once again I hope not to offend anyone, just another attempt to reach out and help. At this point and time I will not sell at a "retail" profit price I would gladly ship at my rate to your address. Just message me.
Thanks for your consideration.
Still using this forum to hawk your psuedo-scientific multilevel marketing scheme, I see.
My job is to workout on average 4 hours a day so I can and do eat A LOT of food daily. I actually have problems eating enough. I am 6'4" 215-220lbs with about 6% body fat and can power clean well over 300lbs for multiple reps..... I say none of this to boast please don't hear me say that, I simply say this to remind you that taking care of my body and keeping it running and jumping and throwing and competing at the highest level is my job and honestly there is no short cut around eating better (smarter) and working out (smarter not harder this involves correct rest). Nothing else works long term with good results. Just because something is labeled "organic" or "natural" means NOTHING! This is just another marketing campaign to make money and charge more to the consumer, whatever sells. I promise you there are A LOT of "organic" and "all natural" plants/herbs/foods that are posionus or harmful. Especially when people think "the more the better", your body can become overloaded on almost any substance if you are consuming more than you can absorb or urinate out. You can even die from drinking too much water.Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
Haha this is so true.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Exactly. But not diet, that sounds like a plan that can change, you have to totally change your lifestyle, where you eat, what you eat, how much you eat, how much you drink and if what, and it has to stay that way and not just be a "diet" that goes away.Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
exactly!!!!! Most if not ALL times when someone claims that some pill or any substance made them loss weight it is just a type of placebo effect. Even if the results are real, just the fact that you believe in something enough to spend money on it and invest in it, you will (consiously or sub-consiously) start to change other things in your life to support your desired outcome with this product or you will have been proven an idiot for believing a lie and investing in a scam. Basically faith does change things whether we believe it or not. Most if not all times in these cases it is not the product (pill, powder, etc.) that affects the positive change in the person's life. It is all the smaller more subtle changes that support this desired outcome. Pills, powders, etc ARE NOT substantially absorbed by the body! And when these things are injected the results are short term and the body starts to rely on the intake of these things and stops naturally producing and naturally aquatint these as well from other foods. The body is REALLY smart and adapts to what you are putting in it. Even something as simple as natural creatine when taken in higher doses than the body produces needs to be supported by a huge increase in water intake and stretching excersies to prevent massive cramping and WHEN you stop taking it or top working out the positive effects are gone VERY QUICKLY!!!!! there are no short cuts there is no magic poll/drink/injection they all have their positives/negatives/side effects and ARE not long lasting especially when not taken any more. I am drug tested all the time by the Olympic Committe and USA Track and Field, yes to keep things fair but also to keep me from ruining my body for the sake of short term gains that will tear my body apart and be gone as soon as I am off the stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
Good questions but in this case I don't think they even need to be answered when this is obviously a pyramid scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osteomata
EEHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick013.gif
No sources. Of course how you respect members request to keep the spam off the site private by posting yet again I doubt that works eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
Exactly, those links aren't sources, they are just nonsensical and/or credulous Moringa hyping addresses. Stephen Biko already decimated the ridiculous John Hopkins/US National Library of Medicine/National Institute of Health "peer reviewed" claim back on page two http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...1&postcount=20
Other than appeals to authority, correlation/causation falicies, reliance on anecdote as evidence (which themselves are dependent on placebo, confirmation bias, and regression to mean effects), and strawman beating, you got nothin but a MLM sales pitch. I think Margene on HBO's Big Love is also selling this product.
You guys are so right! Wow!
Nothing was ever debunked. Keep reading.
Thanks for coming here to post what you don't like, I guess some have more time on their hands than others.
However, I will continue to work with the others.
Stephen Biko is a man that doesn't believe in even the smallest of things like grocery cards. He spends his free time in fear, and works hard at building up his own self esteem from trying to pose intelligent from posting numerous web sites. The road goes both ways. His only point was the guy from JH was not a full time professor, who cares that he doesn't teach some get into the position to do research.
Just google Moringa Oleifera....
I am doing well from it business wise and I feel better and lost weight. What more could I ask for...oh wait help others (and of course I would benefit from that).
Both your jobs are a pyramid. If you are at the top, great, but more than likely unless self employed, you are somewhere in between in the fashion of a cascading pyramid, where one is at the top, and more at the bottom. Think about it.
Haha big difference between a pyramid structure, and pyramid scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385