I wanna go to bed...:snooz:
..but I just know I'll miss some fun!
So...I'll pour another :_beer: and sit tight!
...at least till the rum evaporates!
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I wanna go to bed...:snooz:
..but I just know I'll miss some fun!
So...I'll pour another :_beer: and sit tight!
...at least till the rum evaporates!
jo
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Often Evil is not recognized at its inception. Osama Bin Laden was recognized evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grif
The only thing annoying me is people attributing quotes to MLK that are not his. It was made up and put in line with a real quote. He never said that.
It's cool if you feel that way, but people need to educate themselves on what they are pushing before just passing it along as fact. That's how we wound up with rednecks and hippies.
vt_maverick, I'm pretty sure you catch my drift, but if I could "like" your post I would simply for the maniacal laugh... :p
"your wiki page was "This page was last modified on 4 May 2011 at 00:24.""
I'm betting it was to add more info on burial at sea which appears as a whole new section edit, but either way, did the like 7 other links not drive it home for ya? I made it over the top for a reason and apparently it STILL didn't sink in for some people. I could probably continue down the list and put links in ad infinitum and it wouldn't matter, because some minds are immune to logic and fact.
*slaps own face for Ldub and Bob and runs away as quickly as possible*
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Originally Posted by JoFotoz
I'm drinking right from my bottle of 18yr Glenlivet, Jo. It's like Marilyn and Johansson getting it on in here!
As one of the people who re-quoted the MKL Quote, what is inaccurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
I still subscribe to the sentiment.
Who is "Bob":mad:
Glenlivet....
...good gawd...now I have to go pour out my rum..Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
..strap my kilt on.....
..and crack open the Sheep Dip!
Sláinte...!
jo
I agree the MKL attribution is not right. I still subscribe to the sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
I did some Goggling and here is one precedent
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Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’
- Ezekiel 33:11
Um...OkQuote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...XwHyUA-Ekg5fLA
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Sorry, it was meant for Bob Barker... It's in reference to something that happened earlier in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
The sentiment is fine. I'm totally behind people feeling that way and liking the quote, but MLK never said that. It was attributed to him sometime yesterday and has been posted all over the place since. It's a misquote from a facebook post that had another, actual MLK quote in it.
I have no problem with people feeling all pious and peaceful with this, it's admirable in some ways, but I just think the majority of those people can feel that way out of lack of being in someone else's shoes. I can tell you now, had my daughter/wife/parent/friend died in those attacks and I had the chance I'd have gutted the SOB slowly and painted my face with his blood before hunting down the other pieces of s&*# and breaking all their bones one by one. People telling people who have lost someone to this maniac or have lived under the oppression of his terror for the last decade that they are somehow bad or in the wrong are just as naive and silly as those college kids out on the White House lawn last night.
This guy dying is akin to the breakup of the USSR or the Berlin Wall for some people. He wanted to be a symbol, bigger than a human being, well, he got it. He became an archetype of fear and oppression and to rejoice in something like that being gone is A-OK in my book. They aren't seeing him as a human being at all. And he wasn't.
To put it in perspective (not sure how old you are) but I remember being terrified of nuclear war my entire childhood. It occupied my mind to an unhealthy extent because of all the fear that was generated by the Cold War and the arms race. When the USSR fell I remember just losing it and feeling a huge burden lift. It's not even like the threat was completely gone, but just the fact that this icon of fear was no more was a huge relief and cause for celebration all around the world. Bin Laden was no more human after these 10 years than the band of countries united together as the USSR.
When I was younger I was witness the the discovery of the body of a young, beautiful special education teacher who had been raped repeatedly, had her arms, breasts and legs chopped off and the words "retard lover" carved into her back. When they found the guy he was a popped collar douche who had apparently been drunk the night before and was turned down for a date by the woman. If you can tell me that person deserved anything but eternal pain and damnation you are a better person than me in that respect. There ARE some things in this life that are unforgivable.
You are afforded civil/human rights and when you live with civility and live like a human. You can stretch that a long way, but there is a line you cross. several thousand American dead and many, many more in other countries warrants some relief and jubilation at his demise.
AAAAAWWWWW YYYEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!! :dan_ban:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
If only that little banana had a kilt.
A quote from Clarence Darorow
Darrow is mostly now famous as the proto protagonist of "Inherit the Wind". He was more or less the lead attorney in the Scopes Monkey trial.Quote:
All men have an emotion to kill; when they strongly dislike some one they involuntarily wish he was dead. I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction.
That may be the most intelligent post ever on VXinfo...:yesgray:Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
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Originally Posted by technocoy
I never gave my own opinion on the matter just posted a fact about the page. Wiki is unreliable at times and especially after seeing such a recent edit. Logically assuming, you could have had a potential greater impact if that link was omitted and you kept the other six. Did that sink in?
It sank in that either way the Wiki post is correct? Not sure of your sway. It's correct as are the ones following it as was my religious studies professor in college as were my anthropology books. It's customary to bury the body as soon as possible, preferably within a day, even better if before sunset.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
Not sure what part of this we're still arguing about. I believe I made my point, backed up with references, whereas we're still going on about a trivial bit of it.
On the topic of bigger more widely known subject matter, wiki is generally very reliable. It's when you get into more obscure things such as biographical posts, allegorical bits and historical references that it can sometimes be inconsistent.
Tell you what, I can delete the wiki post and add four more if that'll make it better.
Not sure about all that Dub, but thanks for the compliment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
I just think that it's always easiest to judge from a distance. It's so easy to lose a temper or say/do something hurtful, but the marker that you are human or civil is when later, whether you make it public or not, you feel remorse or humiliation about it.
This man continued to plot death and destruction and never had an inkling of remorse or regret about it. His followers and himself often openly mocked the memory of those people they killed over the course of 10 years. He deserves not better lot in life than to die with the most pain and suffering of the worst among us.
This is were I have an issue. I have several uncles (all now deceased) who served in WWII. My father (also deceased) climbed into a B-17 and flew 35 missions over Europe. My brother served 30 years in the USAF, retiring as a Full Colonel. I never served as there was this Vietnam thing I (and my father) disagreed with, but I declined an Academy appointment and acted against that war.Quote:
This guy dying is akin to the breakup of the USSR or the Berlin Wall for some people. He wanted to be a symbol, bigger than a human being, well, he got it. He became an archetype of fear and oppression and to rejoice in something like that being gone is A-OK in my book..
There is a famous picture of an East German Border Guard jumping the barricades for freedom during the cold war.
There was no celebration of Hitler's death that I know of. There was a celebration of the end of the war. We aren't there yet.
You can check the edit history to see what was changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
Nice one. Oddly, there is one that is being passed around now that is a paraphrased version of this and another being attributed to Mark Twain. Hahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
Good find.
Sorry if it felt I was attacking you rsteinmetz. It's not that way at all. It's just like some people have grammar nazi issues... I get all up in a tizzy about quotes and chain mails. Hahhaa.
Like I said I never gave my opinion on the matter so the references used to validate your points/posts/info are not needed. At this time you do not know where I stand on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa_oleiferaQuote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
Seems SOMEONE was kinda glad to see him go...:yesgray:Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AuPoOCVtSz...%27s+death.jpg
No Problem, I Appreciate the correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
As I looked into it I found that as well. I always liked "Inherit the Wind" since some of the dialog was drawn from the actual trial transcript.
I'm thinking there was probably some celebration at the word of Hitler's death.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
I have so many family and friends who felt the exact same way about the Vietnam war. The sad thing about that was there was never even a real "Mission Accomplished" It should have been a great lesson on the difficulty of guerilla warfare, but sadly it's had some of the same mistakes repeated this time around.
I think with the difference in the type of war we are fighting here Bin Laden's death IS a celebratory marker for some. We never will "win" this war. This is basically an ongoing campaign, similar to the columbian drug trade and our continuing "war" on drugs. It's too nebulous to have a definitive end. In the majority of people's minds this man himself might as well have killed those people that day. He's messianic to his follows, they are an extension of him. When we went to war, his ideology was what we were fighting. So to see him dead, in a lot of folks minds, is the biggest victory we'll get to see for some time.
Great info.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
I never said that people weren't happy/gratified. I said there was no celebration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
One of the things that sets the Victory in WII apart is that at the end of most wars the soldiers find out their government lied about how. bad the enemy was. At the end of WW II the soldiers found out the government's story was not bad enough.
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Originally Posted by JHarris1385
ummm... ok. That's cool, as I'm not even sure what we're debating at this point. You pointed out a part of my original post as though it somehow invalidated my stance. I posted in response. Somehow it became about you and your position. I'm just arguing my use of the wiki article along with several other links that were put in to counter point an entirely different conversation with someone else.
Thanks for the banter though.
Allrighty then fellers...
This old man gonna go...:sleepgray
Try N get it all hammered out before dawn, OK?...:smilewink
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You took my simple initial post as an attack with a pre-assumed motive. It was simply to state that hey, this link has been edited in the recent hours and at a time of possible higher traffic. Since you got mildly worked-up about it to reply some 4-5 pages later, move on!
For the most part this is true. The thing is that the war and Hitler's death were kinda both happening (as far as media could report it) kinda at the same time. Within days of Hitler's death (which wasn't confirmed immediately) the bulk of the war in Europe was quickly ending to many celebrations. You can find many new articles proclaiming Germany's failure and the death of Hitler in the same piece. The biggest holdout was of course the tenacious Japan, who surrendered quickly after Big Boy and Fat Man fell on Nagasaki and Hiroshima later that year. I believe August.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
Hitler was dead on the last of April I believe and the end of major warfare in Europe was declared on May 8th. So, really kinda one in the same.
I only wish the same would be true this time around. I'd love to see all our people home... We could employ them all to guard the border. I mean, we could make a human fence of soldiers, set up hotdog and lemonade stands and let our boys relax for a change. J/K, kinda....
Later Dub. It was fun ;-)
I refuse! Here's one more post in reply to your post!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
:bgwb:
Haha! I would "like" that post if I could!
Whoa. You just crossed a line, bub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Barker
now thats an "IT"
Got to agree with one of the YouTube reviewers... Hitler response videos are getting kind of old.
Time to lighten the mood a bit.....
http://i.imgur.com/Ar3Ry.jpg
Ha! That picture on the wall is hilarious!
Dur dur dur... what I learned from this thread is that hippies and rednecks are bad and they most likely write everything on wikipedia. Terrorists deserve to have their nuts chopped off AND YET they also somehow deserve my respect. Obama hunts lions and people from Detroit with Chewbacca while playing video games and yet DOES NOT deserve my respect. And Bob Barker is psychic.
Daaaaaamn right! Now watch it else I'll blow up yer head with my brain beams!