I've got 113,000 miles. It did burn a quart every 1000 miles, for the last 4 years. Now it seems to be a quart every 500 miles. I need to start looking for a new motor:( I did see the motor thread the other day.
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I've got 113,000 miles. It did burn a quart every 1000 miles, for the last 4 years. Now it seems to be a quart every 500 miles. I need to start looking for a new motor:( I did see the motor thread the other day.
Au contraire! I have 98K on my truck and it has never needed oil between changes. At least - not yet! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtew
I've been pushing on the dealership where my mechanic is to have another VX meet there and have some kind of workshop on the care and feeding of the VX. I dont replace the PCV valve every oil change as many do, Im not a mechanic in any stretch of the imagination, the truck only gets her regularly scheduled oil changes and manufacturers suggested services. If my mechanic is waving a magic wand and making all better, I dont know about it.
When I hear of all the owners who have the oil problem, I wonder if something happened or didnt happen in the early years of those VX's that would set it to be an oil burner down the line - and can it be reversed.
Are there any other owners out there who dont have to add oil between oil changes? Has anyone had the problem but found a way to cure it?
I've got 112,000 miles on my one-owner VX and NEVER have to add oil. Like Anita, I have performed all regular oil/filter changes, and have had each major service done by the dealer on schedule. Mobil1 since the first oil change, and Mobil1 filters. I've never changed the PCV valve, but assume the dealer has. I don't exactly "baby" my VX, but I don't flog it ALL the time either. I think it has something to do with the fact that my VX has been garaged both at work and at home since new, and was not subjected to weather extremes - sitting outside during hot summers and rough winters. Keep it clean, inside and out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anita
I have a number of vehicles, 72 BMW 3.0 , Hummer H1, 59 bug, F250 deisel...And have had a host of others, yet never run into this problem. I cna't smell or visually see any smoke, even when I stand on it.
VW's all mark their territory, my BMW motor with 110 miles on it is just getting broken in and doesn't leak or burn a drop.
I'm glad to see others are having this strange issue.
I'll just set my cell phone to remind me and or check it every thousand miles...
Cheers All!!
I sure hope that's some kind of horribly unfunny joke!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thmstec
uhm, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtew
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...threadid=13756
My brother has 2ea. 1999 and 2000. The 2000 with 89,000 miles he bought off e-bay in 2006 for $13,000 shipped and drove it for 6 months before the rod knock. Went to check oil and there was none. Did have Mobil 1 in it before. Took it to the shop and the mechanic found the crank done with #3 main bearing gone. He said for about $6,000 he could get it back on the road. So went back to e-bay and found a 1999 with 90,000 miles for $6,200. Flew there and drove it back (400 miles). Next day put tires and had the oil changed with Mobil 1. Drove 2 weeks and yesterday got the knock with the check engine light on. Stopped and check the oil and nothing on the stick. Filled with oil and still have the knock and is getting louder. Now he has 2 blown motors Vehicross's. I (his brother,He does not have Internet) am a mechanic have never seen such crappy motors. If you have to add oil when you fill up with gas,you need to go buy something else. I see other people that have no problems? Did my brother just happened to get 2 turds? The 2000 would smoke a very little when would take off. But the 1999 would not smoke even if you would nail it on take off. There is a motor builder on e-bay that sells a longblock for $3,200 shipped to your door. I plan on calling them to see what upgrades they have done to help with the oiling problems. I will post to inform everyone when he does the repair. These SUV look cool and there was not that many made. Ilike them and he loves them, but to me there not worth the trouble.
I have a 99 with a 131,213 miles on it with no problems,i change the oil every 3k miles with castrol high milege oil and the pcv,and purlator oil filter.
I'm with Anita & CobraJet. Mine uses no oil between changes.
Right there with you, everyone here has scared me enough to always check, but my VX does not really burn oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
"Right there with you, everyone here has scared me enough to always check, but my VX does not really burn oil."
Me too. At every fill up, I get on my knees in front of the VX. Everyone thinks I'm praying that it'll never break down. I'm really checking CV boots & looking for oil leaks.
99,ebony, 114,000..spun rod bearing on no.1 piston..motor loved oil and also coolant seemed to go down at a slow rate...no leaks or over heating. bought at 86,000 miles and has done it all the time i have owned it..motor had lots of buildup in the sump..and i was dilligent about changing oil...time for new crank and rings:(
Major bummer dude. Let us know how much $ it costs.
My 2001 Vehicross (I am the original owner so I know I never beat on the vehicle) engine went out at 75k miles. It was explained to me that this was a very common problem due to the cylinders becoming elliptical from wear due to bad metallurgy.
I was pretty pissed, but what can I do? A modern engine should not be having problems like these. The kicker is that when I went in for it, they recommended that I change the intake gaskets even though they have never failed. Which seemed weird, but I agreed because he was so adamant about it. Now since then the gasket has failed 3 times. So my advice on that one is never do something that hasn't failed just because it is a recall or under warranty. (unless it's a safety problem)
So now I am wondering how long until the new piston and rings do the same thing... grrrrrrr
[QUOTE=mrtew;130349]Yeah everybody's VX burns oil! I set my cellphone alarm to remind me to check it every week. I usually add a half a quart every three or four weeks.[QUOTE]
Not so! I've driven mine 2 months/2,500 miles so far - hasn't used ONE DROP of oil! Bought from the original owner, who confirmed that it never used any oil for him either at 58K miles. I've also spoken to other VX owners whose VX's show no oil consumption - there ARE some "lucky souls" out there!:)
Prefer to keep her, but I don't have the funds to buy a new engine for $6k so:
Do I buy a rebuilt engine for $4k?
Get a used 01 Axiom engine for $3k with 50k miles on it and risk having the same problem?
Or, doing an engine swap?
If so, which engine would be most compatible with the least amount of modification, and has anyone been successful in doing this?
The engine on my '99 Ironman died at 75k... although i am the 4th owner and cannot trust the odometer :)
Anyway, my budget here in Russia was $6k, and included crankshaft replacement and cylinder heads repair... no oil burn since... though i only put 1k on her so far... :)
I changed my oil at 48569 about 6 weeks ago & right now my odo reads 49890
Since then I added almost one quart;I change my oil every 3500 miles using 0W-30
According to isuzu one quart of oil every 1000 miles is ok for this engine.
That statement is completly insane & they give this ridiculous stat due the huge amount of complains about their 3.5L instead of recalling all vehicules presenting this issue.
I always wonder why isuzu spent so much into designing such vehicule just to dump in a junkie engine like this instead of also designing a unique engine with more horse power & less issues
Gussie, from whom in Isuzu did you get that info?
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Originally Posted by Gussie2000
Are you kidding? I've read quite a few statements on this very website from VX owners who were told something similar by their local Isuzu service managers when said owners were inquiring about what seemed to be excessive oil consumption in their relatively low-mileage VX's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_Black
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Originally Posted by Joe_Black
Right over the net Joe.
I know it sounds crazy,that's why i believe it's insane :mad:
Over the net? Linky please.
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Originally Posted by Joe_Black
Hi joe.
You can check planetisuzu.com for details,even a guy went to court about the oil issue & wont the case agains isuzu who had to replace the trooper.
I can't recall the website at this time,sorry :o
This is how an Isuzu shop would check for excessive oil consumption-
http://www.drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/...3/isuzuoil.gif
http://www.drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/.../isuzuoil2.gif
Mark Griffin
That's pretty clear.
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Originally Posted by mrtew
Thank you mark !
Ah, "depending on driving conditions". Thanks DM! :bwgy:
So I guess all those people who weren't entering their VX's in rally crosses every weekend, towing 40 ft. cabin cruisers, or traveling the autobahn, but still experiencing said excessive oil usage don't count? :_shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_Black
You may feel ease with this report,but for city driving conditions that amount of lossed oil still is a huge concern to think about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_Black
Let's admitted guys !
Isuzu F..... us all
Yes we got screwed. I was told by an Isuzu mechanic that the front cylinders on this particular engine don't get enough lubrication. I know of 2 other VX owners in my area who are not on this site who had the engine failure. Imagine the countless numbers of VX owners with this problem who have not answered this poll.
I've decided that it does not make sense to waste money on the same engine.
Can anyone point me in the direction of a company that can install a better more reliable engine in my VX?
Also, what other engines would fit in the VX?
I really don't want to part with my VX.
I give! :rolleyes: Just means more cheap crap VX's for folk like me who don't know any better. :bgwo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gussie2000
Get on over to the Planet Isuzu forums and start asking about the Vortec V6 as that used to be a popular replacement for that crap Firebird V6 that was in the early Troopers. It's likely still a viable replacement especially with the 4L30E meaning off-the-shelf bellhousings. Good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bantan
My engine just died. Rod bearings. 2000 Proton w/135k
:mad:
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Originally Posted by Bantan
The 2002 axiom's engine is a good way to go,you'll need ECM software upgrade & new wiring beside few other stuff
Did Isuzu ever offer anything along the lines of a high-flow/performance oil pump that could be used as a preventative measure, or would the apparently ill-thought-out design of the oil passages in this engine render the increased capacities useless anyway?
Okay, wait a minute, first you condemn the 6VE1 then you recommend the 6VE1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gussie2000
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Originally Posted by Joe_Black
You got to remember that the 2002 engine was redesigned,it's a better engine though,at least has more power & no oil burning issues.
So by comparison i'll recommend the new 6VEI
That would be the 2004 Direct Injection engine, the only difference with the '02 mill is throttle-by-wire. As a matter of fact the Direct Injection engine is still the much-maligned 6VE1 with a different intake and heads. Also of interest is that the 6VE1 is still in production and one of Isuzu's best selling gasoline engines. Of course just the one's used in the VehiCROSS are crap, since they must have all been built on the 13th of each new-moon calendar month after the factory's fertility festival binge-drinking contest. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gussie2000
Okay, okay... I, Joe Black, promise the never look at this thread again. I also promise to restrain myself, to the best of my individual ability, from commenting on threads or posts purporting the supposed infirmity of the 6VE1. Really. Cross my wrenches and all that rot.
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Originally Posted by Joe_Black
Amen ! :p
I'm not happy to read about all of these engine problems. I've owned rare vehicles before, and you expect window issues, quirks here and there, but I agree, a modern motor shouldn't be having an oil flow design flaw.
I'm in for figuring out which motor is best to replace ours with. Does anyone have a list of all that is needed to swap in the 2004 Axiom engine (which are becoming more rare as we discuss this issue).