I am going to purchase today and get my process started.
Anyone after me?
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I am going to purchase today and get my process started.
Anyone after me?
Does anyone know if I need to, and if so how, bleed the brakes after swapping out the abs module? With the five lines all just threaded in I see no way to bleed unless it is at the wheel.
Isn't that how you bleed brakes? At each wheel starting from the one farthest from the master cylinder?
Bart
I might be. Getting TOD fixed first, but ABS light has been on for about a year now and when dealership said $4000 for an ABS module, I knew that was a non-starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAMAS
The shop manual says that after reinstallation you must bleed the brakes completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by dietz99vcross
After installing the hydraulic unit, bleed brakes
completely. Refer to Bleeding Brake Hydraulic
System in this section.
It's in section 5C-9 and is quite extensive.
the last time I replaced my abs unit I bled the brakes. I also had new calipers installed, but I would think you are introducing air to the system so bleeding them would be a good idea.
I will let you know when I replace my current ABS unit with the repaired ABS unit. $59 is definitely a better price than a new unit that could fail again. From what I understand the repaired module will have thicker wire and better solder.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy
Definitely look at the brake bleeding procedure for the VX. It's a little different from other cars that I have done before. The short version is that you are supposed to pull the ABS fuse and bleed the brakes with the engine running.
Jamas, I would be curious when you get the rebuild in to see if the wiring on the bottom of unit is beefier than the original. I noticed this on mine, but thought it might just be a variance in manufacturing.
Hello, I own the pearl white VX. The ABS light just came on, and I was given the bad news that it will cost $4,000 to replace. Based on what I've read, it seems that there are several much less expensive options. Is there any consensus on the best approach to reducing the financial impact? Are there any problems associated with just driving as is? Thanks for this potential great news.
First of all, you do not need ABS. Many people prefer to drive without it. This especially true about ABS designed in the 90's, which weren't all that great even when it worked "welll". The trick is in being able drive it now like a non-ABS car!
Second, any mechanic who is ofering to fix ABS for $4000 on a car that is worth $6000-$8000, is not looking out his customer's best interest. Most mechanics are aware about cheap rebuild options for many electronic components. Good mechanics will offer it to you, lazy mechanics will not want to wait for the rebuilt cycle (or deal with redoing the job if the rebuild unit fails) and they would offer the crazy, new OEM price! I would stay away from such lazy mechanics...
As for a cheaper solution, this forum has everything you need to know to come up with it ;)
In this thread go to post #49 and read from there. My ABS is out as well and like has been said does not affect the driveability of the vehicle. I almost pulled it yesterday and sent it off, but with snow coming I'll need it this weekend. I do plan on having my unit rebuilt in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by rollingmoss
Dude I'm so sorry to hear that, if I were you I'd just let me take your damaged VX off your hands. :naughty: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rollingmoss
For $49 and a lifetime warranty, and now several owners have had this same company do it and it works, I can't see any down side. Isuzu currently lists the ABS module at about $2,900 for a new one. :freek:Quote:
Originally Posted by rollingmoss
Didn't realize you've had your VX so long. I'm just curious, are you original owner or how'd it find it's way into your garage? How many miles do you have on it?
Any pics you could post? :thumbup:
Just went to the Petersen museum in Los Angeles on Saturday and saw the VX-02. Was great to see!
Yes, I bought the VX new in Denver in late 2002, and have really enjoyed it, especially since my wife HATES it. Oh well, small victories. Currently it has about 93K on the clock, and has been pretty much trouble free.
I'm going to my mechanic this morning to see if he will remove the ABS unit and replace it when I get it back. I am not now nor have I ever been mechanically inclined, so trying to do this myself is out of the question.
**Before you have the module removed*** read this:Quote:
Originally Posted by rollingmoss
I know it's a lot of reading, but worth it!
I asked if there's any difference driving w/o the MODULE. See post #47 in this thread. "xcelr8" said there was definitely a difference, hard turning was a "jarring nightmare".
** Remember we're not talking about if it's better to have ABS function or not, but simply if there's any difference when the ABS MODULE is removed.**
A better idea for you is to get yours into the "domino run" thing several here are doing. Starts at post #47. "Mile High VX" recommended the same thing.
Basically it's so no one has to drive W/O the MODULE, as it doesn't drive the same w/o it.
Some one with a spare unit sent it to be rebuilt, but the next guy actually pays for the service and once he receives the rebuilt one, he sends in his dead unit to be rebuilt for the next in line. …etc…etc….
Post #64 has the details. Ask "JAMAS" (Jon) where he is with his.
Rebuild service on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110784352777...84.m1438.l2649
I am waiting for mine to arrive back from the repair place. According to UPS it should arrive tomorrow. The turnaround time on these are pretty great!
I believe Fuzzy is next in line, however. You will have to contact him after he gets his fixed.
Jamas,
Keep us updated as to the results.
Really curious to see how many positive reviews there are on the service.
Thanks!
How much time should it take to remove and reinstall the unit upon rebuild. And what is the estimated module rebuild turnaround time?
Thanks for the information bestowed in the earlier posts.
Can't help you on the removal/install times as I used a unit I bought from another owner here, and one from a salvage yard VX, but I'm sure one of the others will answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by rollingmoss
The two units I've sent in had a turnaround of about 16 days MAX. One unit I sent they had to do more testing until they ID'd the problem, took a few extra days.
They pay for shipping one way, and you can have them use a faster delivery for the return, you just have to pay for it.
Another way you can do it is to find a salvage yard ABS unit, and send that in (with YOUR VIN and ID). I'm not sure how much just the ABS module should be from a salvage yard as I bought it in a bundle of parts, so no individual price.
moss,
You'll just be removing the electronics portion from the top of the ABS module so it should be pretty quick as far as actual time under the hood. You don't need to (or want to) remove the hydraulic portion.
JAMAS or etlsport should be able tell you how long it takes to R&R the electronics portion.
Tom
The last two times I have replaced the module, I have replaced the whole thing. I even sent in the complete abs module to have it repaired. Its very straight forward to remove and reinstall. However, a brake bleed is where the extra work comes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
As for turnaround time.....
dietz99vcross sent in his for my repair on 2/20/13.....UPS has it scheduled to be delivered to me today 2/27/13. One week from ship to receive. Thats pretty darn good.
Sue, one only needs to send in the plastic ABS module for the eBay repair, correct? That saves shipping the heavy aluminum distro block and a bleed. If you unbolt the distro block from its mount which is bolted to the inner fender, then unbolt the mount, too, you can move the chunk into position to unbolt the plastic ABS module from the aluminum distro block, all without disturbing the brake lines.:rotate:
Correct, ASI only needs us to send the electronics part of module but I didn't want to mess with it either, so I just sent in the entire thing. Yes, realize it cost more for shipping that chunk-o-metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by workmeistr
Did you install yours yet Bren?
Yep, I'm installed and all's well. How far down on the list is rollingmoss? I had planned to send my old one in to get rebuilt. I'll be $300 into my rebuilt unit once rebuilt.
My ABS serves me well driving to work before the snow plows finish up on my 30 min. drive. It makes stopping on snow and ice happen in a shorter distance. I grew up here driving a rear wheel drive pre-ABS car. I would recommend ABS for winter and for wet hydroplane stopping, but to each their own.
Actual shipping costs were covered by ASI. Both Jamas and myself sent in the entire unit which weighs in at 7 pounds as opposed to the 3 pounds listed for the electronic unit only. Since ASI emails you a preprinted shipping label it is all covered in the original cost. I also e-mailed them before shipping it out and they confirmed this for me
yes. To be clear. $49 includes to and from shipping.
They also either cleaned, powder coated, or replaced the metal portion of the module. The thing looks BRAND NEW! I confirmed with dietz99vcross that his was the same.
So I would highly recommend sending in the whole unit for them to clean up for you.
I will take a side by side picture of the newly repaired module next to the replaced module when I do the swap.
FInally got the abs controller received from Scientific installed, and it works well. Thanks for the heads up on the rebuild option!
Ren
So are you guys all glad that you're getting the ABS working again? I really didn't like mine because it always cut my brakes off almost completely on bumpy roads just when I needed it most but now I only drive my VX in the winter and I am thinking of getting the ABS fixed. Sometimes when the road is a slippery I do go a little sideways so it seems like it might be the safe thing to do but then someone mentioned that he does NOT like ABS in the snow so I can't decide whether to keep driving without ABS or get it repaired. Was it worth it? Do you like it now that you have it back? Was the dash light the main reason you fixed it or was it for safety or for winter or what?
Anybody got any feedback on how this process and the rebuild is working for them?
Do we know if the original $49 deal is still holding?
thanks, Disasterlady
Quote:
Originally Posted by disasterlady
Hi Julie!!
Same company offering it on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ISUZU-TROOPE...431209&vxp=mtr
It's listed as a Trooper, but we've already confirmed that's no problem.
Also, I see he has it listed at $68.99, but he previously told me he'd honor the $49.99 if you write him and mention the Vehicross group.
Thanks Sue.
What ever happened to the Dodge Durango option?????
I have a few months and a few thousand miles since the rebuild. Everything is work great so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by disasterlady
I'm really please with the decision to rebuild the unit and the process was very easy and only took about 10 days.
Its been more than a year on mine and I am happy with the abs, there are days that I think the rebuilt unit is better than before. I like many hated the abs when and felt the pedal was way to quick to give the vibrating feedback. Since the rebuild I must say I feel the braking is much more progressive, but it is probably just my wishful thinking and grandmotherly driving.
I finally got around to installing this last week. Glad to hear that everyone is happy with the rebuilt unit. I will be giving it a good test on my 3k mile total trip with MOAB.
Ok, so I contacted this seller the other day...email and phone....no knowledge of a Vehicross or doing this service for Vehicross owners, price was quoted at $100 but they weren't exactly sure, Trooper listing was for a different vehicle and could not be used for a Vehicross (whatever that is..lol) and kind of left me with that not so confident feeling about doing this. Waiting to hear back on specifics from their "sales" department, because I wanted more definitive info, just confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
Ah Geez! I read this entire thread and get all jazzed about getting the ABS module rebuilt and then VX4EJR leaves me hanging on a cliff!!
Has anyone heard anything else since last May? If not, I'll ping ASI to find out.
Just an FYI....Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyVX
Another ABS thread discussing rebuilding module, See Posts #57 -#67
:http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...ght=ABS&page=2
Here's another ABS thread where a VX owner used this company for the ABS rebuild as recently as 2 months ago for $69:
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...&highlight=abs
ASI = American Scientific in Rogersville, TN
Ebay ID: ate1234 = American Scientific
Global Solutions = ASI American Scientific
Here's the CURRENT listing on ebay for ASI but under the "Global Solutions" name:
EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS TROOPER, THEY'LL DO IT FOR THE VX, AND MENTION THE VEHICROSS GROUP
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ISUZU-TROOPE...item1e8ea08c1f
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Sweet! Thanks!
This is probably a newb question but if you remove that module can you still drive while the module sent off to be rebuilt? It's not working any way so it shouldn't matter, but have to ask.