Realize there is a duplicate gear indicator on the shift console so theoretically the dash one could be completely covered up.
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Realize there is a duplicate gear indicator on the shift console so theoretically the dash one could be completely covered up.
1. Ok, looks like we got a final definative :thumbup: on the TOD. It is now included.
Aaron's Response
Sorry about the miss understanding. This was answered by another person.
We have desided to INCLUDE the TOD with the kit. IT will be included, rest
assured.
Again sorry for the mis-communication
2. I agree with inaba, after further examination it would be almost impossible to make a cover for this and still have the lights show through.
3. A custom bezel would probably cost $75 to $125 on its own. If your interested in that I'd say mod the existing one, purchase a custom one for the rodeo and mod it or get another group buy going on the bezel. Its pretty far outside the range of custom gauge inclusion.
Speedhut makes the bezel pictured a couple of messages above this one (or makes one identical to it). Since they already have the template, maybe they could cut out the area for the shift indicator inexpensively? They're pretty cheap on eBay ($10) - can't imagine that it would cost too much more to get one that fits the VX. They also have chrome ones on eBay - which might look pretty good.
You may think it's cheap to do... but based solely on the fact that they'd have to set up tooling to do it, they will consider it a custom job and seize the opportunity to make $ on it. Anyone else would do the same. They're a business not a charity, so I wouldn't count on it being cheap.
Like Tone mentioned... there is a set of indicators next to the shifter... the ones are the dash are really idiot lights. If you must have it on the dash, it's easy enough to mod the Rodeo bezel on your own. If it's made out of plastic, you can probably do it with very sharp exacto blades, a steady hand, and a lot of patience. A Dremel and a detail file will speed up the work quite a bit.
Inaba and OmegaVX: Just to be clear, in finding out that the TOD is definitely included was it mentioned whether or not it would also match the illumination?
Thanks!
They did not specify what illumination would look like only that they would appear in the same manner as the other gauges. I guess I assumed this meant lighting would be the same as well (ie: built off of the indiglo system).
Inaba, can you confirm this?
I just ordered my kit......:D
I specified the TOD display and told them I wanted the O.E.M.
gear display to remain functional.
If they don't honor these two requests I'll figure something out on my own!:rolleyes:
Thanks for trying to make this group buy happen!;)
It is my understanding that the TOD addition is automatically part of the deal, as well as the stock gear display, am I correct? It best be, since I have no center console dummy lights anymore, with my shifter boots installed. I am thinking that with ALL of these ideas popping up and all these emails shooting off to Speedhut, I may end up getting a stereo face that would fit the space shuttle. Let's try not to confuse Speedhut into delivering us painted waffles.Quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Roger VX'er
I specified the TOD display and told them I wanted the O.E.M.
gear display to remain functional.
So, just for the record (and correct me if I am wrong), Speedhut is offering exactly what we specify on the site (colors, decals, fonts, blah blah blah), PLUS the addition of the TOD to be in the color that we specify on the site. For basic, non-specifying, detailed, additional notation, this is what the basic kit offers. If this is NOT a fact, someone ring in and set it right for the record. I may have to cancel my order if this is wrong. Having been one of the forst to order, I keep seeing changes to this product that worry me. :confused:
Below is what I expect to be the BASIC package, unless some special request is added....
http://www.websubstance.com/vx/gauges2.jpg
(nice job BlackVX)
According to speedhut, the TOD will be included in the exact same "colors, decals, fonts, blah blah blah" as the speedo, tach and gas/oil gauges. This does not include any modification to the "PRND321" area that I know of. Inaba was going to check into any modification to this, but since it is simply a clear overlay it would be hard to match this to your requested styles. It is however my understanding that nothing will happen in the "PRND321" area at all, it will simply stay stock with its current clear indication. So, the package should include the following gauges in your requested settings
TOD
Speedo
Tach
Gas/oil
I sent an email off to aaron at speedhut just to make sure the "PRND321" info above is correct. I'll let you know what he says.
The kit includes:
1. Speedo
2. Tach
3. Fuel & Temp panel
4. TOD panel
5. Standard or upgraded inverter.
The kit does not include:
1. Gear indicator (remains stock).
2. Warning light panels.
3. Guage bezel.
yup, paultvx has it correct. Here is the last response from aaron
"It will be left completely stock for the PDR12"
Excellent. That answer is exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks.
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Originally posted by omegavx
does not include any modification to the "PRND321" area that I know of. Inaba was going to check into any modification to this, but since it is simply a clear overlay it would be hard to match this to your requested styles. It is however my understanding that nothing will happen in the "PRND321" area at all, it will simply stay stock with its current clear indication.
I was only "reminding" them about including the TOD in the kit just as they said they would...I usually beat a dead horse...
character flaw I guess...:mbrasd: but I didn't think it would hurt
to remind them about it.
I am perfectly happy with the "PRND321" area staying stock... I
didn't want them to simply cover it up even though my other shift indicator at the console is still functional... I was getting the feeling they were going to ommit it by not slotting out the hole directly over it...If they don't do this than I will with a dremil...
Just feel that I shouldn't have too!
P.S...My comments to Speedhut about the order were:
"I expect the TOD display to be included in the kit."
"I expect the "PRND321" O.E.M. gear indicator (located vertically between Tach & Speedometer) to remain functional.
So the kit should look something like this. The TOD font would be black for this example (I was too lazy to change it sorry).
http://www.websubstance.com/vx/gauges3.jpg
Michael
Let's go kids.... I only see 6 ordered, but I hear a LOT of positive feedback from here. :D
If we do not wish to have the redundant gear indicator to remain, is there a way to have it covered? I guess it would be only a matter of them not cutting a window out for it. I like the red on black reverse glow style, but would not want the stock green PRND321 mucking up the look.
BlackVX has it correct in what the final product would potentially look like.
The shift position indicator will remain stock while the TOD will be of the appropriate color, as well as the speedo, tach and oil/fuel gauge panel.
The warning lights will remain stock as well.
We can pick one font we'd like and send it in as a group in addition to the offered fonts they already have.
Has the group font already been decided on or not? I know some people wanted the "Usuzi", but I'm not sure if I'd use this or the rickshaw one. Did anyone else have any suggested fonts?
I know I haven't oredered yet, but I plan to. I want to say that I would like the Vehicross logo on the speedo, and NASA to be on the tach. Would this be a font thing? Or would this cost me an extra $50 to have "my logos" on there? Is the single font we can choose just how the numbers on the speedo and tach are displayed? I think I'm on the right track, just looking for confirmation.
Also, if I was getting red with flames would the flames appear on the TOD and Fuel/temp areas too, or would they just be red? Thanks in advance
The font is the actual font style of the letters. So, if you wanted your own custom logo's (ie: graphics) they would not be affected by the font. If you just added text (ie: text, non graphics) then they would be affected by the font.
So, if you wanted to use nasa you would probably make this a custom logo and it would cost an extra fee.
According to them the gauges are all supposed to use the same style and colors. This means they should all be red with flames.
So far everybody here that has posted and/or actually placed an order seems to have a thorough understanding of what the product will look like...especially with BlackVX's illustration.
***I just wanted to throw my .02 in for those of you who have read this thread and might be interested in this product; but, have yet to voice an opinion or ask a question or post any such reply.
Remember that as nice a job as BlackVX has done illustrating the
mockup of the finished cluster...he is using (1) particular choice of
colors and none of the available graphics or text from the website.
I encourage/urge anyone who is "silently" debating the product discussed here...to please go to their website and see all the available colors, styles, fonts, graphics, etc...
Here is the link to Speedhut's website just in case you missed it or are too lazy to go to the first page!;pg;
http://www.speedhut.com/15orders_el_...mber=41&bhcp=1
.....And now back to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress....;Dy;
I know I'm screwing up the whole pre-order thing, but I want to see the finished product before I'll commit to it.
At the risk of being a wet blanket...
What happens to the needle rests?
What happens to the screws on the dash face?
There must be a pretty big gapping hole if it fits over the existing needles?
Well, it's pretty clear that if there aren't 25 orders, you'll have nothing to see and nothing to commit to. Even if we do make it to 25 orders, at the current pace, I doubt there will be a second run. I seriously doubt they would fill just one order for your sake, if you like what you see. But then again... who knows. It really doesn't matter. If there aren't 25 orders, all bets are off.Quote:
Originally posted by IsuZOOM
I know I'm screwing up the whole pre-order thing, but I want to see the finished product before I'll commit to it.
Take a look at Speedhut's gallery. In some of the photos for their gauges the factory needle rests can be seen. So I assume, however it's done, the needle rests aren't touched. I hope that is the case for us too.Quote:
Originally posted by Jonnie
At the risk of being a wet blanket...
What happens to the needle rests?
What happens to the screws on the dash face?
There must be a pretty big gapping hole if it fits over the existing needles?
I am aware of the situation, thanks for clearing it up.
I was under the impression that the 25 orders are to "tool" the design. Once that's done, they'll sell them piecemeal on their website like every other design.Quote:
Originally posted by paultvx
Well, it's pretty clear that if there aren't 25 orders, you'll have nothing to see and nothing to commit to. Even if we do make it to 25 orders, at the current pace, I doubt there will be a second run. I seriously doubt they would fill just one order for your sake, if you like what you see. But then again... who knows. It really doesn't matter. If there aren't 25 orders, all bets are off.
I have to agree...they need 25 orders to make their "investmentQuote:
Originally posted by IsuZOOM
I was under the impression that the 25 orders are to "tool" the design. Once that's done, they'll sell them piecemeal on their website like every other design.
in time to engineer/develop product" worth their while. Once
that occurs... any other orders would be icing on the cake for
them...whip out CNC program and/or CAD program and stamp out
another one.
The font hasn't been decided yet. We should probably gather together a list of fonts everyone might want and then vote on them.
As has been said though, w/o 25 pre-orders we are SOL.
If you're going that route - Scott can you dig up the font we discusssed earlier?
And you're not SOL without 2 orders. 12 of you could just pay $206, or 6 of you could pay $412 :cool:
Or, someone here could buy 15 of them
That isn't the program. If there isn't 25 the whole thing is off. SOL. That's what it means.Quote:
Originally posted by IsuZOOM
And you're not SOL without 2 orders. 12 of you could just pay $206, or 6 of you could pay $412 :cool:
Or, someone here could buy 15 of them
Regarding fonts... too many cooks in the kitchen. I think this buy has a better chance if we just kept thing simple.
They want $2500 to tool the design. I'm sure they'll take it any way they can get it.Quote:
Originally posted by paultvx
That isn't the program. If there isn't 25 the whole thing is off. SOL. That's what it means.
I'll be putting 2 orders, in the next few days. I'd like to see the final board selected font before I actually add an order, so lets get some choices posted and make a decision.
Also, to those that have already placed an order or those that are considering it. What options have you selected for your dials? (ie: what does the bottom left of their flash program tell you is selected) I'm just interested to see what options people are going for and what their's will look like.
Ok, so there was some question as to them providing the dials after the initial pre-order was finished.
Here is what aaron said
"We will offer it on the site for single orders after the initial group buy"
So, if we ever reach the 25 mark for them to actually produce the initial buy then they will be available on their website.
Hey, I just thought of something. If we have the same dash as a Rodeo we should post this on other forums and maybe some other Rodeo owners will jump on it.
What makes you think their entire business hinges on this deal? I'm sure they'd fine selling to their existing market without the hassle of tooling up for a small run or even a run of just one. The VX is a limited market. Why do you think there are hardly any aftermarket support for it? If it wasn't for Tone and individual efforts like what Inaba has done here, there wouldn't have been any. That fact that we haven't gathered 25 orders quickly after the intial post was made pretty much tells them that there isn't enough of a market to justify the trouble. Don't be surpised if the whole thing goes up in smoke if we don't get 25 orders.Quote:
Originally posted by IsuZOOM
They want $2500 to tool the design. I'm sure they'll take it any way they can get it.
It's a slightly different instrument panel. We have TOD, I don't think the rodeos do. The temp gauge is a little different too. See one of the earlier threads, I think it's the third one. It has a link to a kit for the Trooper kit by a different manufacturer. On the same site there are Rodeo kits.Quote:
Originally posted by AlaskaVX
Hey, I just thought of something. If we have the same dash as a Rodeo we should post this on other forums and maybe some other Rodeo owners will jump on it.
Why are you always so abrasive?Quote:
Originally posted by paultvx
What makes you think their entire business hinges on this deal? I'm sure they'd fine selling to their existing market without the hassle of tooling up for a small run or even a run of just one. The VX is a limited market. Why do you think there are hardly any aftermarket support for it? If it wasn't for Tone and individual efforts like what Inaba has done here, there wouldn't have been any. That fact that we haven't gathered 25 orders quickly after the intial post was made pretty much tells them that there isn't enough of a market to justify the trouble. Don't be surpised if the whole thing goes up in smoke if we don't get 25 orders.
I don't understand what you are missing here. They want a commitment of $2500 before they'll tool the design. If one person offered them $2500, they'd tool the design. This isn't rocket science.
Hmm, are the two main panels (tach and speedo) the same? If so, there might be a possibility of them sharing our pre-production ordering. Can't hurt to ask.Quote:
Originally posted by paultvx
It's a slightly different instrument panel. We have TOD, I don't think the rodeos do. The temp gauge is a little different too. See one of the earlier threads, I think it's the third one. It has a link to a kit for the Trooper kit by a different manufacturer. On the same site there are Rodeo kits.
I am not even going to waste my time to address that one.Quote:
Originally posted by IsuZOOM
Why are you always so abrasive?
Okay. Who's going to pony up $2500 for a sheet of plastic with numbers and hash marks printed on it along with a inverter? are you? Allright for you if you are. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally posted by IsuZOOM They want a commitment of $2500 before they'll tool the design. If one person offered them $2500, they'd tool the design. This isn't rocket science.
Let's leave it at that and try to help make the group buy possible or answer questions others may have rather than submitting your own private thoughts about what you want to do... which really don't help those who wish to make this group buy a reality.
It's a good idea to see if the Rodeo guys (93-97, I believe) or even Speedhut would be interested in a partial kit. I don't think they are aware that the speedo and tach can be shared. Once they know they might consider lowering the price since by making a kit for us... they'd almost kill two birds with one stone. They don't have any offerings for any Isuzu's at this moment. The speedo and tach may even be used with the Troopers and it would certainly look better than the one posted earlier in this thread.
Just trying to keep this thread in recent memory...