Moab ZuZoo XI 2008

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Originally Posted by tysamigo

First timer has a few questions:

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Also, this would be my first time for any kind of real off roading (more than my usual farm field off roading). I have a stock VX. Could I participate and expect my baby to be in just as good condition when its over?

I've read many posts here and it looks like a hell of a lot of fun, i just wanna make sure my baby will be in good shape if I take it out into the abyss lol I'm not really sure what to expect but I think Athlete has a great idea to get a CB, consider that part done. Good lookin!

Is the trail long enough where we would camp out along the way? Any other advice

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Last year was my first year and I was bone stock except for a trooper skid plate which can be found used I bought new for 70 something. (bought as precausion just in case) I was on really and I mean REALLY bad tired and I did fine. I went to hotel rock 1st day which had a little more pucker factor than Elephant hill I did the next day and I must say you will be Amazed what these things can do. Yes TRUST your spotter and you will be fine. Even if you think you dont have control they can see more than you and you will be ok.

As far as camping no there wont be camping on the trail. Well as far as I know I only went on two of them.


hope to see you there.

Exactly how did this person end up in this situation? And some would wonder why I might not take to the off-road thing real quickly~~~

D.W.
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Not to worry.....for every hard route there are different easier paths you can take. You don't have to take a hard one if you don't want to.

That picture with Billy was taken at Hell's Gate during ZuZu 2006. What you didn't see was Victor making a succussful run through Hell's Gate first, then me, an Izusu pick up truck, and then Billy.

Check this thread. http://vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=8822 There are a lot of great pictures our VXs and all the different slick rock around Moab. Enjoy and hope to see you out there.

Peace.
Tom

I just wanted Larry, who was riding shotgun, to get a better look at that rock!:bwgr:
I am one of those guys who likes to push the upper limits...not always a good idea to follow my lead!:rolleyes:

OK since the subject came up I’ll give you my thoughts on CB’s
1. Don’t go on an organized trail run without one. Period.
2. Don’t rely on a hand held. (I have a couple and only use them for spotter duties so that I am THE ONLY ONE THAT IS BEING HEARD in the spotted vehicle) they just don’t work good from inside a vehicle and most of them sound like crap anyway. In a pinch a hand held CB can be used with an external antenna but with all the wires is a PITA.
3. Make sure it works and that you can be understood (this means you need to do this before the trail not during)
4. Tune your antenna. SWR meters are cheep or built into the more expensive CB’s.
5. For less than $75 you can get a CB and magnetic mount antenna that will work just fine. No need to spend more unless you want a good microphone.
6. Stick with a name brand such as Midland, Cobra or Uniden. To tell you the truth though the quality has gone down the last few years. I have gone through a lot of cheep and expensive radios from the $40 to $500 ones so now I only buy cheep name brand ones. Stay away from refurbished radios you find on the web. I have several and they all have issues.
7. Big truck stops are the place to buy them along with any other CB equipment like antennas, SWR meters and mounts. Radio Shack and Wallmart just don’t have everything you need so at some point you will end up at a truck stop.
8. Linda and I also use FRS/GRMS radios but we use them for private conversations, not to talk to the rest of the group.
9. During Easter Jeep Safari we ask participants to have CB’s but my experience has been that only 75% do have them and out of the 75% only 25% can be understood during introductions at the beginning of each trail ride.
Todd

Looking forward to meeting everyone for the first time! Got my vacation approved and reserved a room already! Now I just got to whip ole bessie into shape to make the trek!

Great news! It will be nice to me you.
Peace.
Tom
012009

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Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er

Looking forward to meeting everyone for the first time! Got my vacation approved and reserved a room already! Now I just got to whip ole bessie into shape to make the trek!

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DITTO!!.. I cannot wait to see what some of you are like in person. I like the guys I have met so far. Became friends with the two fellow Renonians. Justin (Zues) is a cool dude too.

Ahh shucks... I can't wait to hang with the Reno gang again!

Wow, we are damn near 20!!! This is gonna be good! Come on, we need two more!

Bart

78 Days 'til blastoff!
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We are now under 70 days til blastoff!
Those of you on the fence about going, lets hear from you so we can begin to talk you into going!:bwgy:

Yeah!!! But how about we see some of those "maybes" turn into yes':bwgy:

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Originally Posted by Triathlete

We are now under 70 days til blastoff!
Those of you on the fence about going, lets hear from you so we can begin to talk you into going!:bwgy:

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Thats one way to put it. I would say there are 69 days left.....

Just some info to read till the day...

http://www.4x4now.com/mu4wd.htm

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Originally Posted by CrnCnn

Thats one way to put it. I would say there are 69 days left.....

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[Bevis voice on] HEHEHEHE he said 69 HEHEHEHE [Bevis voice off/]

So its only 1 month 10 days and 15 hours until the Reno convoy heads down the road.

I have my skid plates and rock sliders in the works right now! I gotta go over to Sears and get my full size spare. My CB radio arrived last week! Now all I gotta do is wait!!!
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EEEEKKKKK! I am super excited! I can't wait to see ya'll!:bwgr:

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Originally Posted by VXIRONwoMAN

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EEEEKKKKK! I am super excited! I can't wait to see ya'll!:bwgr:

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Me Too...:dance:

I posted this on VX lifted run page as well but I wanted to make sure everyone understands.

I know a lot of folks have looked to me for trail selection and I was not there last year due to work. I have decided where we are going on Tuesday and you can choose to go or not. I will not post where that is, you will have to wait untill you get to Moab to find out. If this seems unfair then consider this, we do not have a permit and if I or anyone else does post what trails we are doing then technically the BLM and STLA can force us to apply for one even though our numbers are under the minimum requirement. This happened to us in the past. So I hope you can understand why we as a group of friends get together the night before or the day of to decide what trails we are going to run. If you still don’t understand, Randii and I can and will continue this discussion under my awning at camp. We cannot be considered an “organized” group.
Todd

I posted this as well on the lifted VX run.

The Tuesday trail ride is not part of "ZuZoo XI" if you can call it that since it is unofficial. I don’t think we even have an official meeting place this year. People are staying all over the place. Linda and I are at Pack Creek Campground along with a few others. So as far as I am concerned that will be headquarters for at least the VX run and we will all meet there before the run. We will depart at 9:00 am.

Link to Pack Creek
http://www.moab-utah.com/packcreekrv/

I better get to work. I'm gonna order the springs today. I will probably order a boot kit too...

Bart

yea im just waiting for my loan to be shipped out and i can get on getting tires, lift, new cb, radio and the other proper things needed for moab =)

Can't wait to see what you have in store for us Todd. From past experience I'm sure it will be well worth the wait!

So, with Joe we are at 19.

Come on people, ONE MORE to hit 20!

Chopper, this means YOU!

Bart

So that everyone understands what is going on Tuesday, Here are the plans (without revealing where we are headed)
1. Meet at Pack Creek Campground between 8 and 8:30 AM.
2. Leave Pack Creek at 9:00 AM (Anyone who has been on one of my trails knows that I am very punctual and I will leave with out you)
3. The trail will last most of the day so bring lunch
4. The trail for the most part is on the easy side with one spot that may or may not give problems but there are options for the daring and or not caring to keep everyone happy.
5. Barring any unforeseen problems we should be back to town early which means 4 to 5 PM.
6. Wednesday starts “ZuZoo XI” and headquarters is still up in the air but I am sure there will be someone at Pack Creek that will know what is going on.
7. If someone can find me a bottle of Sam Addams Triple Bock and bring it to Moab I will gladly pay for the service. Utah is one of those states it is not sold in.
8. Speaking of which let me go trough a couple of rules I have while leading a trial and that everyone should follow anyway.
a. No alcohol allowed by anyone on the trail. Period. Plenty of time at camp for that.
b. Seat belts must be worn by everyone while the vehicle is in motion.
c. Pack out more than you pack in.
d. Stay on the trail and never drive over any vegetation or crypto soil.
e. If you have not been to Moab before I will give a speech about the crytobiotic soil to stay off of both your vehicle and you. Remember the old saying “leave only footprints and take only pictures” leaving footprints is not acceptable any more on certain types of soil
f. You will see Indian Rock Art. DO NOT TOUCH. The acids in your hands will accelerate their deterioration.
g. If you want a spot ask. I will not offer unless you do.
h. There is only ONE SPOTTER! Only pay attention to the one you trust and if someone starts to give directions if I am (other than watching where I can’t see) I will stop and walk away. Keep in mind I am a Professional Spotter and have been at it a long time but if you trust someone else that is just fine with me and I can not always be at the right place all the time so others need to help.
i. You are responsible for the vehicle behind you. What that means is that you need to keep them in your rear view mirror all the time. The trail leader can only go as fast as the slowest vehicle and with everyone doing their job no one will take the wrong turn except me. This also means you should also try and keep up with trail speed. Also never crowd the vehicle in front. At obstacles, you need to stay within strapping distance until the vehicle behind you makes it up and then move on.
j. There will be a test on this before we leave for the trailhead :confused:

If you would like a tour one day of Rock Art sites of the area I might be talked into taking some folks out.
Todd

Sounds like it's going to be a Super Day! I can't wait.
Peace.
Tom
012009

p.s.
I'd like to check out that other rock art with you.

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Originally Posted by Todd Adams

7. If someone can find me a bottle of Sam Addams Triple Bock and bring it to Moab I will gladly pay for the service. Utah is one of those states it is not sold in.

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Thanks for the reminder about bringing drinkage. I will make sure we pack accordingly.

Also Todd, I assume this is another trail that does not allow dogs, correct? I just want to be sure.

Thanks - Bart

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Originally Posted by nfpgasmask

Thanks for the reminder about bringing drinkage. I will make sure we pack accordingly.

Also Todd, I assume this is another trail that does not allow dogs, correct? I just want to be sure.

Thanks - Bart

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Nope, we are not going into one of the Parks. I had considered it but the trail I was thinking about I did 2 weeks ago with the family. We had 3 vehicles all of them with lockers and decided the hill was just not doable without some risky strapping in other words dangerous, for close to stock vehicles.
So dogs are not a problem unless you don’t trust them next to overhanging cliffs :eek:.
Todd

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Originally Posted by Todd Adams

So dogs are not a problem unless you don’t trust them next to overhanging cliffs :eek:.
Todd

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Wow, that's great. I felt bad about leaving her in the hotel last time...

Thanks! Bart

i apologize in advance if this is the wrong thread for this. but is everyone staying at pack creek? or are some staying at portal?
mainly, where are the campers with dogs staying?
tom where are you staying with your dogs? (i think i remember you having 2 dogs).....

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Originally Posted by pbkid

i apologize in advance if this is the wrong thread for this. but is everyone staying at pack creek? or are some staying at portal?
mainly, where are the campers with dogs staying?
tom where are you staying with your dogs? (i think i remember you having 2 dogs).....

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I think all this depends on when you are getting there. There is quite a group staying at the portal.

Follow this link for more info....

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=12761

OK here is what we are going to do.
We are going to host a pot luck dinner at Pack Creek Campground on Tuesday evening. Everyone is welcome and invited including the non VX ‘ZuZoo bunch. This was Giggling Grammys idea. If you don’t know who she is follow this link http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97775203170725 We are going to provide the Hamburgers, Hot Dogs and buns BYO vegetarian burgers because Linda and I are not vegetarians but we do not want to offend or exclude anyone. You guys are going to provide the rest of the stuff. Salads, veggies, fruit, tomatoes to slice, chips, paper plates, onions to slice, Deserts, Drinks (alcohol approved if you have a designated driver ) otherwise coke, sprite , Apple Beer etc. and anything else you want to provide.
There is a small pavilion at Pack Creek that should fill our needs but we can spill out to our campsite as well as others in our groups that are staying there. I will have a small grill but it would help if others have one or two or three that we could utilize otherwise you might have to wait.
I think this will be a great opportunity to get to know each other and mingle the evening after our VX run. We are also going to do awards and prizes associated with the days run. Tests will be graded and driving ability judged to determine the winners. Everyone is expected to be present. No awards or prizes will be awarded to absent participants. Must be present to win!
Oh there is a 10 PM quiet curfew but since there are early trails the next morning this should not be a problem. This will be strictly enforced.
Please respond with what you are going to bring so we don’t have a lot of duplicates.

Sounds like a great idea! I will bring paper plates and forks.

PBkid, I'm staying at the Portal. They do allow dogs and they have a lot of room with a couple of ponds for your dogs to go romping. I'm leaving Champ at home this year.

Peace.
Tom
012009

Sounds good Todd. I will bring catsup, mustard, lettace and tomato's.

I shall bring chips. Does anyone have a prefrence?

I have a Weber Baby Q I will be bringing, so we can use that. I will bring some drinks and other food stuffs, dogs, sassiges, etc.

Sounds fun.

Bart

Would everyone please do me a favor. I would like you to send me your real names. Just first is OK so we can associate you with screen names. I am going to make up name tags among other reasons. If you are shy about sharing on line then send me an E-Mail at toddgadams@msn.com. If you would include how many times you have been to Moab 'ZuZoo and if this will be the first time for you as well as all passenger names.

What would be even easier to track for real names and what you are going to bring to the pot luck just go to Billy’s first post and put this info in your comments.

Thanks,
Todd

New info. in the comments section...I'll bring some extra fine pineapple brats & some garlic sausage from one of the local purveyors of deceased animal flesh...:_drool:

Also the corresponding breadwear for said links.:thumbup:

And some of that beer you were talkin' about.:naughty:

I filled out the comments too.....

Will bring BEANS :eek:


jo