BIG Kudos to all the new (and old) SS

You know, I have really tried to stay out of this discussion. I really don't get why people get so bent outta shape about the whole site supporter deal. I know most of the bickering has been related to Ldub's badgering of folks, and that is a discussion dead and gone in my mind, but anyway...

People like me, and obviously Ldub, use this forum on a daily basis for technical VX info, for laughs, for entertainment, and as a local Internet "pub" full of your best buds. I'm sure we feel compelled to contribute to the site for a variety of reasons.

Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but can say this without a shred of shame: I give money to VX.info because it gives me something back. I don't donate to the Salvation Army, and I don't give my "spare" change to bums. Most of you probably don't know me well enough to know that I am a devout misanthropist, but I am. My contributing to this site is a bit out of character for me. Normally, I wouldn't give a squirt of piss to a forum of any kind, but over the years, I have grown so fond of this place, and the vast majority of the folks that haunt it, that I will do what little I can to keep it around. If I can shoot $20 here, and $20 there over to Moncha for all his hard work, I will.

And that brings me to my final point about contributing here. Most people have no idea what kind of time consuming financial burden a website like this is to keep running, and running smoothly. But I know from experience, that it ain't easy to keep up with, especially considering the health issues Moncha has been dealing with.

In a final defense of sir Dub, all I can say is that he, like me, most likely feels a bit of a bond to this site, as silly as that sounds, and as such is slightly more emotionally attached to it than most other folks are. And, as a result, his badgering may come off as bullying. But I can assure you, that those of us who do badger others to contribute, do it with the best of intentions, and not to "one-up" our status on this forum.

GO TO MOAB. MEET THE PEOPLE. IT ONLY GETS BETTER.

Now back to our regular scheduled programming.

:) Bart

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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker

please don't insult me by trying to pass off your act as being so altruistic.

Try dropping one of those $100's anonymously into a Salvation Army pot (or any charity of your choice you believe is particularly effective) some day to help someone who maybe can't even afford internet access, let alone a vehicle that would lead them to a site like this in the first place, and see if it makes you feel any different. That shouldn't be much more difficult that clicking a Paypal button, because fortunately for you, there should be any number of people out and about this time of year seeking help from people as giving as you....after all...'tis the season.

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Who is to say that LDub does not already donate to the Salvation Army, or any other local organization to help those less fortunate or in need? I guess he could tell you that he does, but then he would be judged by you for seeking praise from others for bragging about his donations huh? I guess you might just want to give LDub the benefit of the doubt and not assume that he is not giving to other organizations before labeling him as having fake altruistic intentions for donating to something he does receive benefit from and then encouraging others to do the same by publicly admitting to his contributions. Most of the time when someone is trying to point the finger at someone else, it is normally because of pride or conviction and a need to pass the blame, seriously what could LDub have done to deserve your finger pointing? Grow up a little and give people the benefit of the doubt before claiming that they should go and do something that you have no clue if they do or do not do already, especially when if they admitted to doing it you would just point your finger back at them for bragging and not just giving out of the goodness of their heart.

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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker

You see, it's those kinds of responses that tell me you still aren't really trying. You talk about how good it feels to give, but using donating to this site (and going out of your way to state what you give) as an example makes it appear that it's only worthwhile to you if you also receive adulation for you're giving; not to mention the fact that you're also receiving a direct return for your donation in the form of continued use of a website where you seem to personally choose to spend a lot of time.

That is where our two opinions differ. If that's where you choose to direct your money in what you consider the spirit of giving, that's up to you, but please don't insult me by trying to pass off your act as being so altruistic.

Try dropping one of those $100's anonymously into a Salvation Army pot (or any charity of your choice you believe is particularly effective) some day to help someone who maybe can't even afford internet access, let alone a vehicle that would lead them to a site like this in the first place, and see if it makes you feel any different. That shouldn't be much more difficult that clicking a Paypal button, because fortunately for you, there should be any number of people out and about this time of year seeking help from people as giving as you....after all...'tis the season.

It seems we are very alike in that way, although I'm still not sure why you insist on trying to escalate a difference of opinion into a "problem". But however you choose to view it, don't worry about hurting my feelings. We're just two people talking, so it's all good.

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As L Beast so eloquently put it (not in these exact words) it's lose/lose for me, so I won't burden you with any of my "other" altruistic activities.
I will say, that you miss the point completely, when you refer to a "difference of opinion" as my perception of the "problem".
I see the problem as Moncha having to pick up the slack when donations fall short of the monthly cost of upkeep of this site.
It seems to me, that with a severe dent to his income, due to time missed from work while in the hospital & in therapy, combined with a large pile of medical expenses, he's got a pretty full plate already.
At the time when the "helpscott.org" site was taking donations, my pockets were empty & I wasn't able to contribute...:sighwgray Maybe I'm overcompensating because of that, you're the shrink, you tell me...:smilewink
You refer to me insulting you with my altruistic "act"...:confused:
Sure...whatever you say, all that shows me, is that you have no idea of who I am, & that's OK by me.
I'll be happy to help raise money for a place where I enjoy the company of like minded enthusiasts, I don't even mind the occasional input of those who disagree, I figure it comes with the turf.

Sorry Y3, I gotta side with Dub on this.

If he gets peeps to donate for whatever reason (shame, guilt, inspiration) - his work here is done. I personally admire folks who take an active role in something they believe in.

If you don't like what he has to say, don't read it - Simple.

I vote we change his handle to Lbud:)

Ida know, maybe I just relate to him since I'm an old fart too.

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Originally Posted by tom4bren

I vote we change his handle to Lbud:)

Ida know, maybe I just relate to him since I'm an old fart too.

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Hahahaha, wow good thing you old farts are so freaking hilarious, LBUD? That is awesome! Reminds me of the "My Buddy" commercials that were on tv when I was growing up, how does that song go?
http://grainoflight.files.wordpress....2/my-buddy.gif
"My buddie,
my buddie,
where ever I go he goes,
my buddie, mybuddie,
my buddie and me."

so what would the LBUD song sound like? Everyone I am waiting for your own personal LBUD songs, here is mine:

"Our LBUD,
our LBUD,
where ever we go you go (along with enough tools and supplies to make an entirely new VX),
our LBUD, our LBUD,
our LBUD and his skulls."

Wow, that was terrible sorry, I am going to go do some manly things now, like watch monster trucks, and go bench press, and grunt and spit and throw something, and then break something just because, yeah uh, I'm done sorry ;)

Great googly moogly this thread sure took a wrong turn since I perused it a few days ago!

Well anyway - I didn't realize Ldub was such a badger... badgerer... badgererer... whatever - I've never felt badgered. Actually, the post that made me donate was the one about putting ads on this site.

Right after I hit the Pay button though, the thought occurred to me - I wonder if Grand_Canyon_VXer is really that trickster Moncha in disguise!?

But now this thread has me thinking maybe Grand_Canyon_VXer is the alter ego of that badgering ol' Ldub and he's just trying out a new tactic! Sneaky! Either way - it was a stroke of marketing genius - sure made me pony up.

;)

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Originally Posted by SlowPro48

Well anyway - I didn't realize Ldub was such a badger... badgerer... badgererer... whatever - I've never felt badgered.

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You totally just reminded me of this awesome Flash movie!

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

And this awesome comic! I need to clone Ldub's head on there!

http://blogs.the217.com/capes/files/2008/01/badger.jpg

EDIT: DONE! -Sorry, Ldub, you know I just can't help myself. That photo I took of you has really come in handy. It's funny, I have several friends who refuse to let me take photos of them for fear of what I might do with them. You should see some of my NSFW photochoppings of friends!!!

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/badgerDUB.jpg

BADGER! BADGER! BADGER!

Bart

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Originally Posted by nfpgasmask

EDIT: DONE! -Sorry, Ldub, you know I just can't help myself. That photo I took of you has really come in handy. It's funny, I have several friends who refuse to let me take photos of them for fear of what I might do with them. You should see some of my NSFW photochoppings of friends!!!

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/badgerDUB.jpg

BADGER! BADGER! BADGER!

Bart

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OMFG...you guys are KILLIN me here...:laughgray...:laughing:...:laughgray

Bart, I just laughed so hard, that the neighbors heard me & thought I was having a medical emergency...Thanks Bro! :smilewink

You all are the BEST!...:heart:

BTW, how long am I supposed to watch that badger/mushroom/snake vid???
Does it ever end?...or have any sort of a point?
I've experienced, first hand, the effects of all three characters, and I must say, one is BY FAR (we're talkin' WIDE margin here), more fun than the other two combined!

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Originally Posted by Ldub

BTW, how long am I supposed to watch that badger/mushroom/snake vid???

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The correct answer would be FOREVER! :)

It just loops and loops. I think it is easily the most phenominal Flash animation ever created. Its sooooo rediculous, and yet you just CAN'T STOP watching it over and over. Its gonna be stuck in your head for weeks to come my friend, so I will apologize in advance to anyone who hasn't seen it before....now, I gotta get back on there cause its infecting my brain again, I love it so much I just can't stop watching it. I think hell (or maybe heaven, its hard to tell which) will have this animation playing everwhere for eternity.

Badger! Badger! Badger!
:bwgy: Bart

lol! How did this,
http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data...velle_ss_2.jpg
turn in to this?:laughing:
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/badgerDUB.jpg

Easy, it's the Internet!

http://www.e4.com/wtf/animations/we-...-internet.html

:) Bart

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Originally Posted by SlowPro48

Great googly moogly this thread sure took a wrong turn since I perused it a few days ago!

Well anyway - I didn't realize Ldub was such a badger... badgerer... badgererer... whatever - I've never felt badgered. Actually, the post that made me donate was the one about putting ads on this site.

Right after I hit the Pay button though, the thought occurred to me - I wonder if Grand_Canyon_VXer is really that trickster Moncha in disguise!?

But now this thread has me thinking maybe Grand_Canyon_VXer is the alter ego of that badgering ol' Ldub and he's just trying out a new tactic! Sneaky! Either way - it was a stroke of marketing genius - sure made me pony up.

;)

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THANK YOU!:thumbup:

I am now the sneaky badger man vulture pig & whatever other stuph y'all can throw at me...abuse is my juice!:dance:

Oh, & here's a blast from the past...I'm also a DE-badgerer-er...:smilewink

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Originally Posted by Ldub

As L Beast so eloquently put it...

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Once again what I've said has been misinterpreted to serve someone elses purposes. With "spin" being the name of the game these days though, I won't really say that I'm surprised.

Since we're talking about missing the point though...

The difference of opinion I've been talking about is with regards to the tactics some may use to encourage donations to the site, but some of you seem inclined to believe that what I've said has been meant to discourage people from donating to the site. That's simply not the case. All humbleness aside, I don't think I could have said stated that opinion any simpler than I already have, so don't blame me if you choose instead to twist my comments to help you justify your actions.

I do know some psychiatrists, psychologists, and professional philosphers, but I'm not one myself. I'm just a regular guy who happens to know how to put a few words together. I appreciate the compliment that I'm perceived as having those qualifications though...however sarcastically that comment may have been originally intended. Degree or not though, denial is an easy one.

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Originally Posted by Ldub

Sure...whatever you say, all that shows me, is that you have no idea of who I am, & that's OK by me.

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Since the concept of giving someone the benefit of the doubt was mentioned, you do realize that I could say the very same thing...don't you? As I declined to do earlier, I won't bore you with any details. Just so you're aware though, everyone goes through down times.

EDIT: In the meantime, I'll just keep trying to help the site by offering any technical expertise that I may have in times of need, and you just keep referring noobs to the search function. :P