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07/24/2006, 12:07 PM
nfpgasmask

Hey Thanks! No, it really wasn't nearly as hard as I anticipated. Just messy, messy, messy.

Yes, after we filled it up and capped off the fill plug, I started her up and cycled through all the gears, then I drove it about a mile to the local lunch joint, ate, came back and checked the level again, it was fine, a small stream poured out. I guess I am more worried about overfill. I am going to unplug it again tonight or tomorrow just to be sure, as I am going on a 5 hour drive to the dunes this Friday.

Bart

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Originally Posted by Joe_Black

Glad to hear ya got the job done Bart! Wasn't that bad after all, huh? ;)

If you didn't cycle through all the gears under brake load before finishing, be sure to check your fluid level again as the TC and valve body will suck up a bunch, not to mention the little bit saturating the new filter. In that case you'll get in maybe around 2 more quarts. And the more you get in there the better!

Personally I wouldn't worry about another immediate fluid change because of the switch to syntehtic. Maybe wait at least 10 to 15 thousand miles. The reason for most short changes after switching to synthetic is for engines where synthetic typically releases built-up sludge from a motor previously used with conventional oil. This isn't a problem with a transmission in most cases.
07/24/2006, 01:29 PM
Ldub

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/fluid1.png

This has been posted in the past, but just in case you missed it...
07/24/2006, 02:36 PM
Joe_Black

Yeah, the whole "no dipstick" aspect of the 4L30E has been it's greatest complaint for the owners of the various makes it's been installed in. Once, I came across mention of a "dipstick tube" part and had hoped to see if such a thing would bolt up to the models without a tube. Never could get more info than the vague snippet I stumbled on.

If the Aisin 5-speed install goes nicely in the rally VX we're building then I may just need to convert the IronMan too. ;)
07/24/2006, 03:41 PM
nfpgasmask

Yeah, and then I can stop by next time i'm in FLA and have you do up mine too! ;)

Now, I must tell you, on the way home from work today the shifting slammed a few times while going up from 2nd to 3rd, and I was not in power mode either. I did what I did last time, pulled over, shut off for a minute, started up and drove home the rest of the way with no trouble.

I wonder why this happens, especially since I just changed my fluid. I am not happy about this, but maybe its just how the VX is. I dunno. I'm gonna check my level once she cools down a bit. I hope there is nothing seriously "wrong" or "damaged" with my VX's tranny. Especially since the VX is still "new" to me, being an owner for only 3-4 month now.

Bart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_Black

Yeah, the whole "no dipstick" aspect of the 4L30E has been it's greatest complaint for the owners of the various makes it's been installed in. Once, I came across mention of a "dipstick tube" part and had hoped to see if such a thing would bolt up to the models without a tube. Never could get more info than the vague snippet I stumbled on.

If the Aisin 5-speed install goes nicely in the rally VX we're building then I may just need to convert the IronMan too. ;)
07/24/2006, 04:25 PM
Ldub

Some of you plagued by slam bam shifting might possibly have gotten one that has had the trans. interceptor installed & tweaked a little too much.
It's a remote possibility, but ...
Just a thought.
07/24/2006, 08:06 PM
nfpgasmask

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ldub

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/fluid1.png

This has been posted in the past, but just in case you missed it...

Yeah, I have seen it, printed it and keep a copy in my VX. But let me ask you all, what exactly does the document mean by:

"Add released transmission fluid until it flows out over the overfill screw opening."

How do you add "released" fluid? I assume released fluid is fluid that is coming out of the fill hole??? And when the doc refers to the "overfill screw opening", is this the same as the fill hole? Or is there another opening that I missed all together???

The document is very confusing to me. Everything else makes sense but that. Can someone clear this up?

Thanks,

Bart
07/25/2006, 03:28 AM
Ldub

I'm pretty sure the "overfill screw opening" is the same as the fill opening, especially in light of the fact that they mention replacing the gasket on only two locations (overfill & drain).
As far as "released" fluid goes...who knows.
One thing to keep in mind, these manuals are often translated by a person or persons who have a marginal grasp of the english language & it's terminologies/ proper usage.
07/25/2006, 06:14 AM
Tobert

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_Black

Yeah, the whole "no dipstick" aspect of the 4L30E has been it's greatest complaint for the owners of the various makes it's been installed in. Once, I came across mention of a "dipstick tube" part and had hoped to see if such a thing would bolt up to the models without a tube. Never could get more info than the vague snippet I stumbled on.

If the Aisin 5-speed install goes nicely in the rally VX we're building then I may just need to convert the IronMan too. ;)

Take LOTS of pictures! I would love to have a manual in my VX. Are you going with a donor vehicle or piecing it together?
07/25/2006, 06:49 AM
Joe_Black

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobert

Are you going with a donor vehicle or piecing it together?

We're going to raid the drivetrain from a late-model 5-speed Trooper since it already has the proper bell housing, mounts, clutch pedal with hanger/master cylinder and any other necessary hardware.
07/25/2006, 07:18 AM
nfpgasmask

OK folks,

Now I'm on the 2nd day of driving after my fluid cahnge. The VX is still shifting weird. Its not constantly doing it though. It seems like if I gun it a little off the line, it slams into gear, but if I take it easy, its ok.

My guess is I have too little or too much ATF in there. Im going under shortly to check the levels again and release/add as needed.

Any other tips? I am a little worried now! I'm gonna check the fluid using the above method. But I guess I am still wondering, if I open the fill nut and ATF comes out, does that mean there is too much? I mean, if it is overflowing out the fill hole, do I let it out until it stops and then cap off?

:confused: Bart
07/25/2006, 07:44 AM
Tone

If it gushes out when hot, that may too much but I always have some coming out when I cap them.
07/25/2006, 09:08 AM
rowhard

'Released fluid', wonder if that was a asia instruction sheet that was translated in India for the English market. I sure we have all had a giggle with some of the instruction sheets with stuff we have had to assemble.

The Note at the bottom of the page about check trans temp with scan tool. Wish the scan gauge that Tone had would do that along with oil temp/press, transfer case temp also.
07/25/2006, 09:16 AM
Joe_Black

Bart, be sure to check all your tranny connectors. You may want to disconnect and re-seat each of them to may sure they're clean and properly connected. Also take that opportunity to disconnect your negative battery terminal for about half an hour to reset the ECU as well.

Sounds like perhaps a sensor or parameter isn't being read properly.
07/25/2006, 09:36 AM
nfpgasmask

Thanks Joe, I take it the tranny connectors are the cables that are wired up along the crossmember that I had to work around, eh?

I will do the battery disconnect tonight.

Thanks - Bart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_Black

Bart, be sure to check all your tranny connectors. You may want to disconnect and re-seat each of them to may sure they're clean and properly connected. Also take that opportunity to disconnect your negative battery terminal for about half an hour to reset the ECU as well.

Sounds like perhaps a sensor or parameter isn't being read properly.
07/25/2006, 10:48 AM
rowhard

Question for Joe_Black on the battery disconnect. manager at my local Shucks auto parts store said to reset the ECU, disconnect the battery for 5 minutes then hit the brake pedal 2 times to discharge the capacitor. What do you think?
07/25/2006, 11:47 AM
etlsport

i would think just disconnecting the battery for 1/2 hour would do the trick, i disconnected for an hour while i was in class to get rid of a check engine light before i got my scan gauge, also did it on a 97 accord and worked the same. 30 min with no battery = no more lights (until the fault happens again of course) so im guessing that it cleared the computer
07/25/2006, 12:13 PM
Joe_Black

Any capacitors within the ECU will not power or back-up anything other than the ECU. So stepping on the brake pedal to activate the brake lights will not drain down the ECU at all.

Impresses the chicks needing help at Pep Boys I imagine though. :p
07/25/2006, 12:20 PM
rowhard

Thanks Joe, it seemed a bit like B.S. to me but then I was a wrench bender on jets, not a spark chaser.
07/25/2006, 05:18 PM
nfpgasmask

Follow up inspection

OK, I went under and checked my fluid. I had the above instructions (which I think are still worded really funny) in hand.

I think I was low on fluid. I let the VX idle for about a minute, then went through the shifter at every gear range, each for about 30 secs. Then I crawled under and opened the plug. No fluid came out, so I started pumping. With the VX still running, I kept pumping. I pumped at least 1.5 quarts in and still no fluid coming out. By this time, my neck was cramping badly so I crawled out and shut off the VX. I got up and stretched for about 30 secs and then I heard some fluid trickling out. Sure enough, it was coming out now into the pan. I let it come out for a few more secs and then capped off the fill hole.

Now, from what I can tell, with the VX running, ATF is sucked up into the vehicle's system. When the VX is off, it drains down into the pan. Does that sound right?

I hope I have enough in now and not too much. I mean, how exact is this science?

Man, I wish there was an easier way to check and fill the ATF. What a pain in the @55!

Bart
07/25/2006, 05:49 PM
Joe_Black

Trannys are tough when you're not in it from the start, so you have to build a baseline to actually know how much fluid is in there. I've been fiddling with a homebuilt flush tool that would capture and measure what comes out so you could add the same amount back in. It's frustrating to try and make something that's easy to build, easy to understand, user friendly and light on the wallet.

In any case, welcome to the "4L30E Club". We're a grumpy bunch, and deservedly so! :p

Hopefully the additional volume of fluid will take care of the hard shifts.
07/25/2006, 06:56 PM
nfpgasmask

Thanks for all your help throughout this Joe, and everyone else too.

It is very frustrating, mainly because I want to be confident enough to do work on my VX at home, to save money AND to make sure she is properly taken care of. However, it was an experience like this that leaves me saying to myself, "What the h3ll and I doing?".

Anyway, now I understand 100% more why my buddy was surprised at the "no dipstick" issue. I really hope I am in the clear now. The last thing I want to do is burn up my tranny this weekend.

Uggg.

Bart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_Black

Trannys are tough when you're not in it from the start, so you have to build a baseline to actually know how much fluid is in there. I've been fiddling with a homebuilt flush tool that would capture and measure what comes out so you could add the same amount back in. It's frustrating to try and make something that's easy to build, easy to understand, user friendly and light on the wallet.

In any case, welcome to the "4L30E Club". We're a grumpy bunch, and deservedly so! :p

Hopefully the additional volume of fluid will take care of the hard shifts.
07/26/2006, 08:21 AM
AREA 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfpgasmask

By this time, my neck was cramping badly so I crawled out and shut off the VX. I got up and stretched for about 30 secs and then I heard some fluid trickling out. Sure enough, it was coming out now into the pan. I let it come out for a few more secs and then capped off the fill hole.

Bart

If you don't have it RUNNING when you check it you're still low.
07/26/2006, 08:32 AM
nfpgasmask

Quote:

Originally Posted by AREA 51

If you don't have it RUNNING when you check it you're still low.

OK, so, I need to have the VX running idle in PARK, and then pump fluid in until it comes out? Wow, I guess I better buy another couple quarts.

This morning she shifted much better, so I know I got more fluid in. I guess I will need to get under there again.

Thanks - Bart
10/27/2006, 02:37 PM
Jolly Roger VX'er

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey

Here we go:
Tranny filter - part number 8-96015-062-0 ($84.89) (price was accurate as of several years ago when I've purchased)

Just placed my order for an OEM Transmission filter (listed as strainer asm) from ISUZU dealer at a cost of $82.19; however, they said the gasket was NOT included and I had to order that too at a cost of $17.81.

Transmission "strainer asm" part number 8-96015-062-0 ($82.19)
Gasket part number 8-96014-234-0 ($17.81)
10/27/2006, 02:46 PM
Jolly Roger VX'er

[QUOTE=Joe_Black
Since you're planning on dropping the pan you may want to get your hands on a torque wrench as it's real easy to strip or break the pan bolts. One or two isn't critical, but it will annoy you to no end.[/QUOTE]

Anybody have the correct torque spec for the pan bolts as well as the cross member bolts?

I'm searching away for this but haven't stumbled on it yet!
10/27/2006, 03:16 PM
Tone

Ouch! Aftermarket filters with gaskets are $20 here.

All torque specs should be on the Workshop CD...
10/27/2006, 03:26 PM
Jolly Roger VX'er

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tone

Ouch! Aftermarket filters with gaskets are $20 here.

All torque specs should be on the Workshop CD...

yeah...I had read that the aftermarket filters came with cork gaskets and I was hoping to get a better gasket (neoprene ?) that wouldn't be crumpled up.

I was hoping for a better gasket (neoprene?) and thought by ordering the OEM filter I would GET the better gasket although at a much higher price.

Low & behold when I get to the dealer I find you have to pay extra for the gasket.....I should have probably said no thanks but I had the little voice say just eat it this time......so I did.....I'm still chew'in ;)

I'm figuring next time I'll buy an aftermarket filter (thinking Purolator from Pep Boys) and if the gasket that comes with it is cork and the OEM one turns out to be (neoprene ?), I'll just buy the OEM gasket from the dealer.

Live & Learn.
10/27/2006, 04:33 PM
Joe_Black

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er

Anybody have the correct torque spec for the pan bolts as well as the cross member bolts?

I'm searching away for this but haven't stumbled on it yet!

If I can remember I'll look it up in the shop manual as I've got to research some stuff tomorrow for a Trooper owner.
10/27/2006, 08:33 PM
Joe_Black

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er

Anybody have the correct torque spec for the pan bolts as well as the cross member bolts?

I'm searching away for this but haven't stumbled on it yet!

Here ya go:

Transmission pan bolt torque - 11 Nm or 96 lb. in.

Crossmember bolt torque - 50 Nm or 37 lb. ft.
10/28/2006, 05:14 AM
Jolly Roger VX'er

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_Black

Here ya go:

Transmission pan bolt torque - 11 Nm or 96 lb. in.

Crossmember bolt torque - 50 Nm or 37 lb. ft.

Thanks Joe! I never got around to downloading the VX workshop CD because I'm stuck with dial-up internet and figured it would take me the rest of my life to complete the download :p

I REALLY gotta get a satellite internet provider as all other options simply aren't available out here in the boonies!
10/28/2006, 07:26 AM
Ldub

Do you still have to crank a handle on the side of your tell-e-fone and ask "Sarah" to get Barney on the phone ?, or are you using the "two juice cans on a string" system... :p

My DSL connection comes in on the phone line...how far out in the sticks ARE you anyway ??? :confused:

All kidding aside, I can sympathise with your frustration. I used to live so far "up the road" that there was no cable & no water or sewer.
Got all our water from a cistern that the house gutters drained into.

Sorry I got so far off topic. :mad:
10/28/2006, 07:49 AM
Joe_Black

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er

Thanks Joe! I never got around to downloading the VX workshop CD because I'm stuck with dial-up internet and figured it would take me the rest of my life to complete the download :p

I REALLY gotta get a satellite internet provider as all other options simply aren't available out here in the boonies!

LOL, I'm sure if you asked nicely and PM'd an address either I or some other kind VXer would send you a copy in its very own envelope to your very door. :p

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