Nope, I'll give his work another call tomorrow. Don't worry tho! I'll eventually get him on the phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAMAS
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Nope, I'll give his work another call tomorrow. Don't worry tho! I'll eventually get him on the phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAMAS
any luck?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hcloud13
Sorry for the late feedback.
SO! from calling his work and talking to his co workers and getting a few reply's from his FB friends it seems he had a bit of a "Mental Breakdown" O______O yea.
Anyway,as much as I feel bad for whatever happened to him I'm still going to keep it up till I talk to him in person.
I got his home address now. I left a message at his work saying I'll give him one more week.
After that I'll call the locale authorities to go pay him a visit at his work and home.
and if THAT doesn't work....lets just say I've found some nice gentleman whom for a small fee I will have go to his home and remove the parts for me. They live quite close to his home and have confirmed by pic's there is a VX in the driveway.
I DO feel bad he's having a "Breakdown" but that's no excuse to scam/rob the **** out of us.
I seriously doubt that was the intent or that the guy was trying to use it as an excuse, especially when considering the apparent environmental issues he's shown to devote some of his efforts towards. No use piling on given the circumstances, so maybe something of a soft approach at this point would yield just as good if not better results...even for both of you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hcloud13
I've been doing the soft approach for the last 2 months with nice emails and PMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
I truly and fully do feel bad for the guy,but that doesn't give him a free pass to keep all our stuff.
Lets say you and I made a deal and you send me...lets say a VX front cladding as an example. and in return I was to give you my set of seats.
Once I get the cladding I go on a blackout and never return your calls,emails,ect...nothing.
Are you just going to let it go and take the loss because I'm going through some personal issues?
Who said anything about letting it go and taking a loss? I was talking about how to handle the situation from THIS POINT ON given what you know NOW about what the guys' been going through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hcloud13
Here's another "what if" scenario. You put yourself in Lees current shoes for a moment...
HCLoud13 has been taking the soft approach...
Read what he said he was going to do:
...."give him another week" ... not do it now......
"contact the authorities".....IE: proper channels for handling situations like this.
"ask some guys to act as a third party to go get the parts" .... this would make it easy on edalseel if he can't seem to get the parts packaged up and shipped.
I think what HCloud13 is doing is great. Yes, I am hoping to benefit from his efforts, but him and I have talked back and forth at length about each step of this contacting process and I think he has handled it very professionally. Edalseel has also yet to make a paypal payment to Tom4Bren for seatsliders that accompanied the shipment. How hard is that. You dont even have to leave the house.
If Edalseel needs more time....or has another problem....all he has to do is respond to any of the several emails or phone calls that both HCLoud13 and I have made. Very nice emails.
I have absolutely no problem cutting someone some slack when they have problems, but we have waited for quite some time without a response. All we wanted was a response. Mash the keyboard and hit send. Somthing. We have also yet to hear anything from the horses mouth. I can get my friends to tell you I grew wings and am currently in the stratosphere.
Thank you HCloud13 for all your efforts.
Keep it up Hcloud!!! Mental breakdown (:bla:) or not, he has no right to steal from you guys. If he chooses not to reply to your constant emails/calls, he's just simply avoiding you... and that makes him just another online SCAMMER. :thumbdn:
Having never had a mental breakdown, I have no idea how hard it may be under those circumstances to do some of the things you've mentioned. Have YOU ever had a mental breakdown?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAMAS
It was HCloud who assumed the guy was trying to use whatever he's going through as an excuse for not following through on the deal. If you guys want to assume he's lying and using it as an excuse for not getting back in touch with you yet, that's your business, but don't use it as an excuse to jump on me when all I'm trying to do is give the guy and his friends the benefit of the doubt. Seriously, if just trying to cover for a friend, who would come up with mental breakdown? No one is saying it's a fact that's what's happening, but, it is a fact that it has been known to happen.
Proper channels is understandable, but I doubt I'm the only person who picked up on some of the additional tone in HCloud's post regarding his "nice gentlemen friends" dealing with people who have had "mental breakdowns". IMO, that kind of thing is a :bomb: just waiting to go off...especially if the guy you're talking about is reading all this stuff too...
I never said Lee was using it as an excuse,it's that at this point I don't care.
It may sound cold but at times I can be sub Zero.
I've never had a breakdown....least I don't think I ever have. But I sure as **** wouldn't rob people while having it.
And it's to much of a Concidience he had this issue right after his things were shipped.
The guy is steeling from us no matter what way you look at it.
And these "nice Gentleman" are in no way going to hurt lee at all! or at this rate even talk to him. No threatening,no kicking his door in lol. Just remove the fender mirror and Rain guards then shipping them to me. at that point I'll ship Jamas his Mirror.
And I should be worried if Lee is reading this? **** if he's reading all this he should be ashamed of himself!
I'm not making any excuses for what I'm doing and I don't plan to stop.
Those are certainly one way all the comments up to this point could be interpreted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hcloud13
For the record and to make sure the air is clear, I wasnt trying to jump on you. I was trying to backup and defend HCLoud13's effort. In my opinion he has gone over the top to not just let this go away and be forgotten about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
The benefit of the doubt can also be provided to HCloud13 in his efforts. They aren't malicious, just productive....again, in my opinion...Sometimes you have to raise your voice to get the job done.
As I stated before, I am hoping to benefit from all of his efforts so I DO have a stake his actions. As do Tom4Bren and obviously HCloud13 himself.
Fair enough, but when one person is putting things out there in a public forum about having people personally stop by someones' house and then you adding things like "get my friends to tell you I grew wings...", surely you can see how others might see the air as being a little less than clear with the assumptions being thrown around.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAMAS
I'm sure everyone else here also hopes this deal gets completed and that no one gets ripped off, but I've been a part of something like this in the past too, and unfortunately, one of our buyers got a little over zealous with his online remarks in the process and by the time it got to the point of going through those proper channels, there was ammunition on both sides to cloud the air regarding who had exhibited questionable behavior. Just saying, it made things even more difficult than they already were.
I can be patient ... as long as I eventually get paid for the parts delivered.
I can take care of getting the fender mirror and rain guards off the car if it comes down to that, but i'm limited in what I can do in getting you your money for the seat sliders.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
Monday is my day off and I'll spend it on the phone. Not calling lee anymore or leaving a message at his home or cell as that's gone nowhere.
But I will call his work and tell the secretary that I will be calling the police to come and pay a visit. Not that they probably will...but it might shake her up to spill some more info on lee or just force him to answer his work phone.
After that I will call the locale authorities in his area and tell them what going on. I'll mention that i'm worried for his safety and to check that he isn't dead in his house. That should give them a push to pay him a visit.
I'll then wait a week to see if that works or if anything comes of it. And if it doesn't...I'll move on to plan x. I'll send the details on that in PM's to those involved.
does it appear he's actually reporting for work?
Yes, the 2nd or 3rd time I called I asked if he was actually coming in to work as he had not returned my calls and she said "yes he's been coming to work"Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
That puts it in perspective...
...if he can go to work, he can contact you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hcloud13
He has no excuse for not sorting this out IMO ...:_mecker:
jo
Unless he's been logging in under a different name, he still hasn't visited the site in 2 months.
Admins should be able to tell if he has been logging in under another username (by tracking IP addresses).
I agree, any goodwil has been used up at this point! The least he can do is get back to people and explain the situation.
ok! Made a LOT more headway! and I might get a response from lee by tonight.
Called his work to give them one more chance and told the secretary my intentions in regards to calling the police.
She decided to direct me to his "Team" division and I got his direct boss "think his name was dave" who filled me in quite a bit more in Lee.
SO lee's truly gone on a self imposed black out on everything including his work and internet. Translation....he went on a retreat.
He has come in to work a couple times.
His boss wasn't able to tell me the details of why he's gone dark for work related guidlines which I understand.
I told him everything regarding the parts and the deal we have with him.
He also knows all about lee's VX and remembers the parts being deliverd to his work and saw the parts himself when lee opend them.
His boss said he has a direct number to lee to contact him and he will get this sorted out as soon as possible. be it he returns our original parts or the parts lee is supposed to give us and the money for the seat sliders. His boss said he will get the parts and ship them himself.
I gave him my email and number and should hear back by tomorrow.
Amazing how a little po po threat and or having the parts removed goes a long way.
I'll update again as soon as anything happens.
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UPDATE!! well that was fast lol. here is the email I got from his boss.
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Dear Douglas.
I Gave called Lee Slade and passed on your contact details. I have asked him to contact you, hopefully this will happen soon.
Nice Work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is good news. I knew Jim Morrison was still alive!
Doug,
I think that what you have here is Jim being a nice guy and helping you out, he doesn’t have to do this. In fact, most bosses would have told you that it isn’t their problem, and not waste any time/effort on this. Police will not touch them, come to think of it, police usually stay out of such disputes all together and will not even touch Lee (unless you know someone). You, however, are not doing Jim any favors by listing his complete contact information on an open forum!
Ditto on the last part of Leon's post - you should edit his info out as soon as possible.
fixed.
in regards to the police, i know they wont do a damn thing. it's just an irritation tactic.
Doug,
Thanks for following through on this.
Rekin I need to be more cautious in helping people out ... I'm out about $150 on the deal & with the Gov't furloughs, that was painful.
Tom
Just got payment from Lee for the seat sliders.
Thanks Lee.
thats such great news!!!. im at work and on my phone. so its a pain in the *** read and post so forgive the typos.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
I received an email as well as a paypal payment from Lee.
Along with the personal issues he was having, I guess he lost alot of personal property including the parts he was going to send. He is trying several avenues to get his stuff back including the parts we wanted. He has said that if he does the get parts back, he will send them to me. However, since that is not a definite, he has paid for the parts.
Thank you Lee for closing the loop on this.
Thank you HCloud13 for your persistence. It has obviously paid off!
Wow, this is great to hear guys!
Doug maybe you could help me get my $116 for the part I got ripped off on in May.
"Doug the Bounty Hunter"Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
hey folks!
Got an email from lee as well.
Let's just say it's resolved...
Now the hunt begins once again for the fender mirror and Rain Guards....with a bit more caution this time lol.
Is this person in the U.S? It would be nice to track someone down on home turf for once! lol overseas is a pain in the butt as you have seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
oh yeah, in Reno, NVQuote:
Originally Posted by Hcloud13
Surprisingly no mention of my payment made or explanation of my circumstances, also disappointed!
Please remove this thread immediately.
Wow.....Blast from the past.
we did make mention of that in a different thread.
EDIT: Read the next post.
Read back a couple pages. There were several mentions of your payments made...Quote:
Originally Posted by edalseel
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Originally Posted by tom4bren
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Originally Posted by JAMAS