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That's better, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by VXobsession
Oh, and nice try. :p But opinions on who the REALLY hyper-sensitive ones are around here remains debatable considering who started all this crap in this thread because of an obvious joke.
Yeah, he IS kinda sensitive. I got a private message after my first post.......I'll leave it at that...lol
Well yes VXobs I guess.....
...sensitive enough to continue to take this bickering away from this thread...
...and fortunate enough to get a lengthy PM reply from you to boot.
Which I appreciated for many reasons...:cool:
But if you want to make public the fact that I sent you a Private mail....
...so be it.
The PM talked about you and I butting heads when you claimed to be "the one person here"..
... relative to knowing how to use and drive their VX the right way.
And I was far from the only one that took you up on that fantastical claim..
........with many pointing out both the fallacy of that statement and the arrogance of it ,
not least because of your newish membership here, which clearly contributed to a lack of historical knowledge and fact.
I will repeat here what I said in the PM..
I am truly sorry if I offended you.
Given your posts here, and your reply to me..
....obviously it is something you are still "sensitive" about.
IMO your initial claim, and the derogatory way you generalized the "Moab Mob" etc.....
...kind of set you up for the mass rebuttal you got!
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Seems the O/T part of this thread has highlighted a division of "style" between many of us...
This is essentially what I was trying to say days ago when I last discussed this O/T topic here...
....when I suggested that tone/inflection etc has a lot to do with the way things seem/come across live, relative to written.
And why I suggested that some of us need to think twice, and type once.
It was not meant as a me first, or as an anyone else first, suggestion...
...but maybe as a good plan for several of us that seem to bug each other now and then.
Jo
:drama: !!!! :flower: Truce? ....wink wink.....
But of course!
The PM's worked wonders :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by VXobsession
ATB
Jo
Jo, it's a lesson I've certainly learned the hard way in this digital age (Yes, I just proved once again that I'm old.)..."Say it forget it, write it regret it"! :rollo:
X2 only the overly defensive few saw it any differently...Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Not to hijack any other potential responses you may have in mind VX Obsession, but some of these comments were clearly also directed (if even indirectly) at me regarding this thread so...
To continue trying to sway others to your opinion via PM perhaps? Don't worry about it though, you're not alone. There are many people who feel a similar need for a safety-in-numbers verification that they are right about something.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
Just an uninformed opinion/observation, but I wasn't even present when this seemingly "fantastical", "ignorant", and "arrogant" claim lacking historical knowledge and fact" was made, and even I can recognize how the comments may have simply been meant as a joke. Sounds like another possible case of over-prioritized sensitivity (re;VX's) run amuck on the part of you and yours IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
Given some of the mass rebuttals I've gotten on this message board which have been based on misinterpretations of some of my past comments/opinions, some may consider the adjective "mob" to be somewhere around half-way accurate. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
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To be persisting in trying to portray my original post in this thread as anything other than the joke it clearly was seems a clear indication that it's not as much a matter of objectively viewing tone/inflection (whether written OR live) as it is subjectively viewing who is making the comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
So how about it Jo, are you going to continue being sensitive enough to take this bickering away from this thread by, well...continuing to bicker in this thread... or are you going to let it drop by also apologizing to me for trying to portray my joke as being some sort of dig at Baldwin and his efforts (as I said I would if it was proven that Baldwin and the "Education Program Scheduling Coordinator" were one and the same) rather than the B.S. flag-raiser regarding the Peterson "Vault" fee that it obviously was? I mean, you don't seem to have any trouble publicly apologizing to anyone else when you think you may have said something offensive to someone who you think is being overly-sensitive.
Haha, who is the one bickering the most in this thread? Easy answer: Treky
Who is the one asking for an apology? Treky
Who claims to not care that much about his VX to donate to this site? And who claims to have plenty of other interests yet posts more than almost anyone else, and certainly posts the most out of everyone who cannot seem to afford any money to support the site? Same answer. Makes no sense. None.
I'm at a loss for words....so this <<<--------->>> is the extent of my post.
Can't we all just get along!
:_beer::whiteflag:
x a billion!Quote:
Originally Posted by H3_VX
All this negative fueding is making this site a less than enjoyable experience.
I may not be in the "in crowd" so I never understood this whole thread.
It seemed obvious to me the "offensive" post was direct at the dumb-*** Museum Policy not at any member here.
But then I'm an outsider.
Oh heck, just sit back and enjoy the show; it only costs what you're willing to contribute! (Oops, did I just say that out loud, damn...) :slap: :_mecker:
You say bickering, I say defending against what could be viewed as purposefully ignorant misrepresentations.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
I wasn't asking for an apology, I was asking whether Jo was going to apologize for making his mistaken claims. I don't need an apology from him to know that his claims were mistaken, especially since getting an apology wouldn't change the fact that they were mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
And Treky? Really? What are we...in third grade? :p
I don't think that ended up making as much sense as you had probably hoped it would.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
Regardless, I've already explained many times that donations to this site can come in many different forms. That you and some others are of the opinion that monetary donations are the only form that apparently count simply illustrates what you care most about. I suppose I could start billing people for my time when helping people troubleshoot their VX issues, and request receipts for the labor costs I help them save by figuring out how to make their needed repairs themselves, but we're talking family here, and that's not what family does...right?
You obviously (and purposefully?) left out the fact that the majority of the posts I just referred to are made here trying to help other VX owners troubleshoot electrical and mechanical problems that they're having with their VX's (including you a few times in the past for that matter). While you may choose to see no value in that because it doesn't fit in with how you try to portray me, there have been others who have viewed my help as having value.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
Given where your priorities seem to lie, are you sure it wouldn't have been more accurate if you'd written "cents"? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
I rest my case. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Larson
Case rested, duly noted...:badhorse: :rotate:
Thanks for the hard work Baldwin. I'll be in California sometime later in the fall or early winter and could probably work my connection through LA. Just need to know at least a few weeks in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldwin
Treky, I am so glad that your line of thought makes so much "cents" to you, but your logic is still completely flawed and for those of us that do not share in your jaded agenda of feeling self righteous in our helping of others on this site, it still will not help in keeping this site up and running. You do realize that no matter how many helpful words you type on this site you still are in NO WAY contributing to paying for the necessary costs incurred to keep this site running?
You might be the first person I have met on here that finds their own help to others so valuable that you will put a monetary value on it and evidently feel better about yourself not actually sharing in the real monetary costs of this site. Most people that have helped me on this site (in reply to a thank you) simply say something along the lines of well this site has helped me out countless times as well. But from your last post it is clear you do not take that stance, but see your helping of others as a payment to the site, haha, wow you feel like your input is so valuable you do not need to share in the actual real monetary support of the running of this site? Good to know, that helps me get your "gist" a lot better. But once again I am REALLY glad most people do not agree with your line of thinking because then you and everyone else would not have a VX.info to go to at all. You do realize that everyone you are bickering against here actually is sharing in the monetary support of this site? So without us sharing in paying for everyone's opportunity to post, you would not be able to feel so self righteous in supporting the site by your "helpful posts" that obviously have monetary value in your mind?
If in the future you see somehow you could help me out on an issue I would actually prefer if you instead took whatever value you evidently place on that help you could give me and instead gave that figure (whatever your mind has decided it to be) and give that to the site in the form of an actual monetary figure. So in that scenario you would be helping the entire site share in the monetary demands of keeping this site up and running instead of just helping me out on an issue that I can probably find help from someone else free of intelectual charge :-)
Your opinion. And is it possible you've formed that opinion simply because it's not the same logic as yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
You may want to refer to Scott's original mandate where he himself has always said that donation for this website is entirely voluntary. And like I mentioned to Dub, "a jaded agenda of feeling self-righteous" is your opinion of me, not my opinion of myself. You say there are those who do not share in my opinion, but there are those who do not share in yours either. You can't have it both ways. And besides, I've witnessed it myself that some of the help I've offered in the past has resulted in other members contributing to the site for the help they received, so that is in actuality ONE WAY my efforts have contributed to keeping this site running = your logic = flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
I said I "could" have charged other members for my help, I didn't say I actually did, and I've never even suggested that anyone else be obliged to donate to the site because of the help I've offered...unlike "those of you" I could mention...Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
You're starting to repeat yourself. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it any truer than it was the first time you said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
Maybe, maybe not. (and it's still debatable whether you in fact ARE getting the gist better, because your own comments continue to make that remain doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
Once again, I'm not the one bickering here, as I've already explained. Given your comments though, it's starting to seem apparent that a self-righteous attitude can in fact be purchased here for the right price.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
You really need to pick an intellectual argument and stick with it. You've already said yourself quite a few times that in your opinion my help isn't really worth anything, so it remains debatable who among us is expressing the flawed logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
Since YOU don't seem to place any value on my help though, I'm happy to oblige in not offering it to YOU any more...(and all because someone didn't "get" my joke in this thread). I suppose you'll come up with some logic for that in there somewhere, but it comes across as more of a "cut off your nose to spite your face" kind of thing to me. Then again, what do I know...
"Then again, what do I know..." -y33trekKER
Best question I have seen you ask, good job, when you come up with something let me know! :-)
Further proof that you continue to not get (purposefully?) the "gist" of my comments (although that one was admittedly rhetorical, so I'll cut you some slack for not being able to easily figure it out).Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
But since you seem to need others to actually spell out what they're expressing, and since you apparently didn't find what's been the main issue in this thread (some of Petersons' specific fees) in any way crazy, here's one for you.
Since I've apparently been giving it away for nothing, I now plan to start charging a viewing fee for anyone who wants to look at my VX. Don't worry though, I'll give a price break on my fees to any members of the VX family here on this site, and all fees paid by said VX.info family members will go directly to this site.
Both issues addressed. Those of you apparently only too eager to pay to see VX's, and only too eager to see others subsidize something that you obviously spend WAAAY more time visiting (mainly to waste time on) than those you try to pressure into subsidizing for you, you can now be even more proactive in reaching your goals (not to mention the apparent goals you have for others).
Your answer was right there in front of you all along.
The Y33TREKker VX Vault
Flexible Business Hours (Call for Appointment)
1-800-CMY-VX4$
:p
I have no idea what has gone on here...and page 3 apparently has a virus and Chrome won't let me open it. Anyways, sounds like there's not much interest in the VX-O2 now. Isuzu did say they'd approve the scan. But the Petersen hasn't gotten back to me yet if they would still wanna charge $2500 to scan it.
Baldwin, thanks for your efforts and your effort to get this thread back on track. Maybe Moncha can start a new section for those who want to try to change each others opinion on religion, politics and site fee'$? :)
I do, but it had nothing to do with my original joke. So while I'd be the first to apologize if my intent had been to hijack your thread or belittle your efforts in any way, that won't be necessary since it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldwin
Is the scan request being made for any particular reason? Is someone considering using the 3D plots to make a Mission To Mars VX02 replica?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldwin
Good luck with the Peterson whatever the reason. It at least sounds like not all the people working there are operating with the $$$ > cars brickwall mentality.
Translation:Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/3269/Blame.png
Well, I just read this thread front to back. All I have to say is: DAY-UM!!! There's 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Baldwin - thanks for the invite but I'll have to decline. It's just too far for us East-Coasters unless we're gonna be there on bizniz anyway. Maybe if we all ask Petersen's real nice, they'll donate the VX02 to the Smitsonian & we can all visit her for free.
As for all the other 'discussions' going on in this thread:
"I have no response to that."
You said that, I didn't. I will say though that when someone starts in with some of the same old attempts at character assassination (or sideline potshots like yours) as have been directed at me here in the past, I obviously didn't start it, but I have no problem finishing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_maverick
Do you not find it even the slightest bit ironic that some will point the finger at me for unnecessarily (in their opinion) clogging up a thread but at the same time seem to have no reservations about jumping in occasionally with their own two cents? And some people here imply that I think I'm perfect... ;)
"I'm only paranoid because everybody is out to get me." - Frank Burns
For the record, I wouldn't have had any either if some here knew a joke when they saw one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
Honestly - on my first read of your joke I too thought that you were slammin Baldwin. It wasn't till later in the thread that I realized that I was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
I have 5 posts in this thread, 3 of which were on topic, the others aimed at pushing you guys to take it "offline" or adding a little humor to the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
You on the other hand have 20 posts in this thread. New day/thread, same bickering between the same people. As I said earlier in this thread, you guys clearly do this to show off for the rest of the forum. If you were really interested in changing each others' minds you'd bound it to PMs, phone calls, or fights in the parking lot. And if you guys didn't want the attention you'd just not reply to stupid or unfair attacks.
It's an open forum and you guys are certainly entitled to do what you want, but I for one would prefer if you didn't junk up a thread in which I have a legitimate interest. Just start a thread called "Same ****, New Day" and then I can just avoid that one altogether.
Maybe you should also consider why you felt the need to play referee in the first place. Sure your posts started out as adding a little humor, but after a quick review, it didn't take long for you to start trying to play the bad@@@ internet referee did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_maverick
Easy to say isn't it, and yet here you are again responding to what in your opinion are apparently stupid or unfair attacks coming from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_maverick
While it's simply your opinion that some are trying to show off for the rest of the forum, I actually think you may be right about that. To add to what's simply been my own continued defense though, I've already told you that wasn't MY intent. I've yet to hear any such reply from some of the others who participated though.
And besides, you said it yourself, someone else started it. I mean, I ALSO saw certain people suggesting that the "discussion" regarding my joke should be relegated to PM's, only to see those SAME people KEEP posting in the thread. They can't have it both ways while pointing the finger at someone else...any more than you can VT. So who are you doing all this for?
And you know, all I wanted to do was offer some humor with a joke, but what did I get in response again?...."same ####, new day". It seems some will seek others out regardless of where they post to try to settle old scores and play internet bad*$$es...which in my opinion too, is usually pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_maverick
Better late than never.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
X2Quote:
Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
The reason this thread went down hill is Jo refused (and apparently still refuses) to admit he was WRONG. Then the "Moab Mob" jumped in and aided in further digression.
1st & last time. I have a reputation to uphold ya know. Now I'll never be able to use my most famousest quote: "I thought I was wrong once ... but was mistaken".Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
:laughb:Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
ok...it's finally set. 2/23/13 at the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles. Please RSVP. We need at least 10 people to show up.
www.petersen.org Check the link below
http://vehicross.info/forums/showthr...light=petersen