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First of all I believe that you will get your money back.
I think that you should list his eBay registered name here so that everyone can leave negative feedback about his foul language and foul sales. I don't mind getting negative feedback I just got an account to buy my Ironman, and to let you know that deal went well. (just one small dent he didn't mension.)
The guy has already been kicked off of eBay. You could persue PayPal for the funds and claim "foul"... just because they say they've done everything, doesn't mean that they aren't culpable. In my opinion, PayPal did not respond quick enough in this case.
I've said this in another thread, but I'll reiterate. You should always use a credit card to pay for merchandise. Credit cards will allow you to charge back up to 60 days after the transaction. The cc company would have charged back PayPal.. making them go after this scumbag instead of you.
I don't understand PayPal's unwillingness to go after this guy. He had to register a bank account for the funds transfer... PayPal can go to his bank, while you can't. I think you need to beat down PayPal's doors and threaten them with a lawsuit. If nothing else, I know people you can contact to get your case a lot of media attention. That will def get PayPal moving to resolve the problem.
-- John
John - I HAVE beaten myself up about not using a CC! I added one to PayPal - but just had it as a backup to checking. I liked knowing I was only spending what I had on hand. I got his email last night from a different ebay member ( someone I didn't know ) who offered this advice ...
Nice Guy - to take the time out to send that to someone he doesn't know.Quote:
Hi,
I noticed your post about your unforunate experience on eBay. I have a Merchant Account, I proccess Credit Card orders, and know that your Best recourse is thru Your credit card company. I Sure hope you used a credit card when paying via PayPal??? Any way, if you did, contact your credit card company and file a Dispute. Tell them that you were billed for products/services you never received. They will ask you for proof and information regarding this transaction and I'm sure you will get your money from them. In turn they will go back to PayPal for their money....PayPal is just a Large Merchant Account like me and every other company that proccesses credit cards. Then PayPal will have to chase this guy.
I am President of a Online Marketing company and 99% of all our receipts are from Credit Cards. We, from time to time, have people trying to dispute their charges even after they receive the goods. There is Always someone trying to get Something for Nothing!!
Always pay with a Credit Card online, don't get fooled when using PayPal and send an eCheck or let them debit your account, you Always have recourse with you Credit Card company. Run it thru your credit card company...I think they All offer online fraud protection and on top of that, you have been defrauded, you never received your goods!!
And if by chance you did use PayPal's option of eCheck or Debit I think you still have cause with your Bank. It has been my experience, that a person like this does not have the ability to repay so "Putting him Up Against the Wall" will not put cash in your pocket!! (I have been there...Done that!!)
Good Luck and Best regards,
Woofer Smith
Despite the length of this thread - it only happened Oct 25th ( payment date ) So I will see what Bank of America can do for me today.
Hi,
I'm so sorry that this is problem is continuing. You are within your rights, morally and ethically, to pursue in this matter. Just imagine if the first guy who got ripped off by this seller had followed through, you wouldn't be undergoing this tribulation. By your actions, you could prevent this seller from treating anyone else like this. It's sad, really, because he has a pattern of such illegal activities and it sounds like he lacks a conscience. Even the Bible mentions people who cannot rest unless they cause misery for others. Some people are just bad, through and through. He may not be, but only time will tell. In the meantime, don't feel bad about pursuing justice. You have behaved in a mature and reasonable manner and are doing the right thing by exposing and 'convicting' a criminal.
In case you haven't already found it, I did some research and found this. I hope it proves useful:
http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors.../JunkEmail.htm
Yesterday I contacted a local lawyer. After listening to my story - she suggested I file a complaint with the Internet Fraud Center - afterwhich I should contact both the district attorneys office where the seller lives - and - contact a lawyer in Ceder Rapids. One for Criminal action and the other for Civil representation for the cash. Today I failed a dispute with my bank ( was still within the 60 days allowed ) BOA indicated they would have a "resolution" ( on way or another ) by Dec 18. Tomorrow I contact the DA and sellers-area-attorney. In Austin next week - don't know what kind of internet access will be waiting for me - but anything changes significantly - I'll let you know.
Thank you for your efforts at keeping us all informed. I know it's a pain, but we all appreciate it very much.
Today begins a new chapter in this story.
I planned to make my phone calls to the Ceder Rapids lawyers this week - no later than Friday to start the civil part - and to the district attorney where the seller lives so they can file their own charges ...
When I got home tonight and checked and had two enjoyable pieces of email. One from Coop - a VX'r in Atlanta, and one from the Postal Inspectors office. Seems the 20" Wheel/Tire seller lied about the other buyer skipping out on him. He ripped him off too, to the tune of about 2300 bucks! Ebay allowed the tires/rims to be re-auctioned - and that's how I got involved to the tune of 1500+ bucks. After he kept my money and RELISTED them again - I called Ebay directly to complain about the potential for another Ebayer to get ripped off - thats when THEY pulled the plug on him. If the first seller complained to Ebay - and the allowed the second, then third auction of those wheels to take place - then Ebay is definitely in the WRONG on this ( IMHO ) at any rate - I verified the validity of the email - phoned the Inspectors office to confirm I will be speaking live with them tomorrow. The email stated that if I kept my correspondence with the seller, then my case could be added to the one in process. : ) Of course I did. Add to that - a different seller that wrote me to complain that as a buyer this dude was a dud too to the tune of 800 bucks.
So - for those counting - the sellers current tally is 2300 + 1500 + 800 = 4600!
The party is just starting ...
I do love a lynching... expecially when we are kept updated!
Please, let us know how it goes tomorrow!
Well Dyanni it appears that now you have the wheels of justice rolling in the right direction. The cards are stacked against the guy who ripped you off, The process may be long and frustrating, but I predict in the end you will prevail.
Talked to the fed today and he told me to calm down. :) He reminded me the wheels of justice turn slooooooooooooooooowly. Okay Okay - I've only had to wait 2 months to get to this point. The ORIGINAL buyer of the rims was cheated 4 months ago. Those ebay newbies won the set for 2300 bucks - sent a check that was subsequently cashed, then started getting the run around. "I'm having the wheels cleaned ... I'm having the tires conditioned ... I'm getting a good set of boxes to ship them in ... " after a while, the seller stopped responding to them. They did not know the rules about negative feedback so never posted. That's how I got ripped off. They did complain to Ebay however who launched their little investigation thing, and told them they were too late to do anything about it.
The fed dude said the dot the i's and cross all the t's before they pursue a federal case - but this one looked good for proceeding. This weekend, when I get home, I will foward all the info I have on it to him. I wonder if I should still pursue him through the local district attorney/civil lawyers ... Would that impede the other process ???
I would ask the feds that question.
I admire you for your calm yet resolute demeanor. I wish I possesed those admirable traits. By now I would have hunted the "poor excuse for a human being" down like a dog and skinned him alive. Go for the jugular!
Good Luck!!
Jim
dyanni:
Sorry to hear of your woes with this. Just a thought, after looking back over all the postings and responses on this thread. If you have not already done so, you might want to print-out alot of this dialogue.
#1 it tracks with your experience and you have some very clear descriptions of what's gone down. As well as other testimonials and responses.
#2 this thread dates all postings, so it provides an official record of the chronology of events.
This is for everyone. I've not had much time to listen to the local Clark Howard Consumer Action Show on AM 750 in Atlanta, but occasionally I do hear him rant about PayPal & EBay getting worse at handling fraud. For example, this item comes from his radio braodcast this past Monday (http://clarkhoward.com/shownotes/2003/01/06.html):
"Phony escrow services scamming you!
Over the last 18 months, Clark has warned people about doing business with Ebay, the world’s dominant auction site. People who use ebay and other auction sites get ripped off repeatedly by bogus auction sellers. As a safe zone, Clark has recommended that you use an escrow service. These services hold your money for a fee, and when you receive the merchandise the escrow service releases the money to the seller. Well, these services could be just as dangerous. The latest crime in the auction world is phony escrow services. The number of phony services has topped the 200 mark, according to the Chicago Tribune. One teenager in Alberta, Canada set up one of these services and took an average of $3,000 from people who sent him money. His parents thankfully have set up a restitution plan to have their son pay people back. But he’s just one of many. You need to know the rules of the game. If you are a buyer, you are covered up to $200 usually with most auction sites. But if you use the auction site’s own escrow service, you will have more protection. Just make sure they are legitimate according to the Better Business Bureau. If you are a seller, verify addresses before you ship merchandise to someone."
Stake your revenge here!! www.ebayersthatsuck.com
At least you can vent there a little!!!:D