New Range Rover Evoque vs. The VX???

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Originally Posted by nfpgasmask

I gotta say, Pepino, those three next to eachother is very interesting. Especially, since I still think the VX stands out the most.

Bart

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I have always liked weird looking vehicles. The VX does stand out a lot here in Mexico since I am pretty sure it is the only one in the country.
People stare at the evoque too but not in a "WTF is that" way. They look at it and keep going their way. The juke did get some looks at the beginning but now there is just too many of them out there. Wait till I lower it and put some bigger wheels in it and it will look great. IF the Juke-R would have come out, I probably would have gotten that one instead.

The VX is still the one that gets most attention, but also as an 11 year old truck which has seen pretty bad weather and has been offroad many times, it just isnt in the best shape it used to be. I am planning on restoring it sometime soon. I will never sell the VX.

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Originally Posted by RickOKC

Hey Pepino, thanks for posting the photo of the VX & Evoque together. I've yet to see the new Rover in person and I expected it to be MUCH BIGGER than the VX! I hope you love 'em both - they look so awesome! I like that you got the Juke in there, too!:) It looks bigger than the VX in comparison even though I've seen a few on them on the road.

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Yes, I love the 3 of them.

VX can handle everything.
Evoque is so comfortable and such nice audio system and I still have to take it to do some light off roading. Some Turbo lag, but fast once the turbo starts spinning. Plus I have a Ford Focus RS Mk2 and the evoque has the same engine as the 2012 Focus ST, wanted to see how it felt.
Nissan Juke dont like the interiors very much, leather or 4wheel drive werent available in Mexico but i have to say it is fast as hell. Also the Juke is the smallest of the three, almost no room in the trunk, and rear seat room isnt that great either.
If you want more pictures just let me know.

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Originally Posted by blacksambo

I never said the Juke was good looking...merely that as a styling excersise it was propelled by the VX experience and failed, just for clarification.

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I think you're confusing what you "meant", with what you "said"...

"The Juke looks totally VX copycat, and nothing more."

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Originally Posted by blacksambo

Nor did I preclude any further debate, and purposely invited further retort. Please read what was specifically stated. Now, let's be fair here.

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I agree, that we disagree...:yesgray:

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Originally Posted by Pepino

The VX does stand out a lot here in Mexico since I am pretty sure it is the only one in the country.

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Apparently, there's at least one other VX in Mexico now.

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=22170

Mark

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Originally Posted by Ldub

I think you're confusing what you "meant", with what you "said"...

"The Juke looks totally VX copycat, and nothing more."



I agree, that we disagree...:yesgray:

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No confusion. Not in the least. The Juke as a product apes the VX. But as I added it has "failed" to be as successful stylingwise. If you want an automotive footnote, look no further than the Nissan Juke. It will never be viewed as a departure from anything olr an original, it merely recollects the VX of 19 years earlier. Said differently, it will never make Motor Trends classics list, like the VX has (which I have mentioned above).

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Originally Posted by deermagnet

Apparently, there's at least one other VX in Mexico now.

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=22170

Mark

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I think I know that guy and if I remember corrrectly, he drives back and forth from the border all the time, the VX isnt settled in Mexico like mine. I am all the way in Mexico City.

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Originally Posted by VX crazy

No joke!! I can't imagine who would like those!! I test drove one, suckola!!! UGLY

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x3. The Nissan Puke/Joke (either slang is correct) is frickin' butt ugly. Right up there with the Pontiac Asstek.

;puke2;

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Originally Posted by blacksambo

No confusion. Not in the least. The Juke as a product apes the VX. But as I added it has "failed" to be as successful stylingwise. If you want an automotive footnote, look no further than the Nissan Juke. It will never be viewed as a departure from anything olr an original, it merely recollects the VX of 19 years earlier. Said differently, it will never make Motor Trends classics list, like the VX has (which I have mentioned above).

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I am always vverrrrrry happy to give he/or she, with the weakest argument, the last word...:yesgray:

Of course, of course.

That old saying.....
When you're a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail.
The perception is that the entire automotive world was disrupted and forever changed in 1999, by (what was then) a 6 year old vehicle, with a body kit. (VX couldn't find even a measley 3000 purchases in 3 years, in a land of 260,000,000 car buyers: **over 1000 were "dumped" in 2002 for $18,000-- Isuzu dealers cost)
That ripples and and aftershocks from this astounding automotive compilation continue to dictate and influence the design of virtually all vehicles to this very day....
After all.....
they all have 4 wheels....don't they? Isuzu
They all use more than one headlight....don't they? Isuzu
Leather for seats? Isuzu
Round "wheel" device to control direction of travel? Isuzu
Wheels with air in them?....brake and turn signal lights in one housing?....building a car that's 85% made of other manufacturers parts?
Isuzu Isuzu and Isuzu
No S***t.....he's right!
:bgwo:

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Originally Posted by Chopper

the entire automotive world was disrupted and forever changed in 1999 ripples and and aftershocks from this astounding automotive compilation continue to dictate and influence the design of virtually all vehicles to this very day....

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I like the Juke just fine. I don;t know anything about its handling and performance, but it that were up to speed for city driving I would not have the slightest issue having one of these over the hundreds of utterly derivative, cookie-cutter "sports" sedans and entry level vehicles in the same price range. Not a lot of affordable all wheel drive options out there, I might add. Yes, the styling is polarizing but man it sure does get a lot of bashing on this forum that sounds remarkably similar to the bashing the VX often gets from critics.

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Originally Posted by Osteomata

I like the Juke just fine. I don;t know anything about its handling and performance, but it that were up to speed for city driving I would not have the slightest issue having one of these over the hundreds of utterly derivative, cookie-cutter "sports" sedans and entry level vehicles in the same price range. Not a lot of affordable all wheel drive options out there, I might add. Yes, the styling is polarizing but man it sure does get a lot of bashing on this forum that sounds remarkably similar to the bashing the VX often gets from critics.

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my wife wants a Juke.... fine by me
I've only one issue with it. I loath a CVT transmission.
I barely tolerate a regular auto-slush box.....but then, I don't have to drive it.
There's a fair number of them on the road around here....Cube too
Maybe not "Homeruns" But I think both seem to be selling pretty well.

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Originally Posted by Osteomata

I like the Juke just fine. I don;t know anything about its handling and performance, but it that were up to speed for city driving I would not have the slightest issue having one of these over the hundreds of utterly derivative, cookie-cutter "sports" sedans and entry level vehicles in the same price range. Not a lot of affordable all wheel drive options out there, I might add. Yes, the styling is polarizing but man it sure does get a lot of bashing on this forum that sounds remarkably similar to the bashing the VX often gets from critics.

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Originally Posted by Scott Harness

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Remember the Juke was launched into the US market nearly fourteen years after the VX. The VX was a styling shock back then, and most people were not nearly ready for anything so advanced looking. In fact, it's still so advanced looking it "still looks fresh" to quote the recent Wall Street Journal article on the VX. It's tough to be ahead of the curve, but Isuzu was not afraid. They had done it before with the ITAL Design Impulse model.

Yes, for a crumby seller the VX did:

Win, Japan car of the year '97/98 (inspite of 600 sales in a country with 120million people)

Paris Dakar multiple-stage winner

Australian Safari Rally class winner, overall

Make Motor Trend's future classics list

Recognized by the Wall Street Journal as sure collectible bet

Will the Juke ever come close...never ?( I know never say never, but....)

How many designs can say this about themselves...damn few, damn few.

The VX was a true departure in many ways, in many ways...... despite poor sales results. Just because your popular doesn't mean you're good!

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Originally Posted by Chopper

That old saying.....
When you're a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail.
The perception is that the entire automotive world was disrupted and forever changed in 1999, by (what was then) a 6 year old vehicle, with a body kit. (VX couldn't find even a measley 3000 purchases in 3 years, in a land of 260,000,000 car buyers: **over 1000 were "dumped" in 2002 for $18,000-- Isuzu dealers cost)
That ripples and and aftershocks from this astounding automotive compilation continue to dictate and influence the design of virtually all vehicles to this very day....
After all.....
they all have 4 wheels....don't they? Isuzu
They all use more than one headlight....don't they? Isuzu
Leather for seats? Isuzu
Round "wheel" device to control direction of travel? Isuzu
Wheels with air in them?....brake and turn signal lights in one housing?....building a car that's 85% made of other manufacturers parts?
Isuzu Isuzu and Isuzu
No S***t.....he's right!
:bgwo:

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I like the Evoque. I would add that to my list of dream vehicles.:) Add the Evoque to the list that already includes the F-150 Raptor and H2 SUT.

there is a special edition evoque designed by Victori Beckam. Enough reason right there to take it off my list. Not too mention the departure from 4 wheel drive to a mommy mobile

I assume it's a super light weight version? :p

It has Haldex (what ever that is) four wheel drive.

Does it have silicone headlights?

I finally saw an Evoque in person last week. I was disappointed that it seemed so low/short in height compared to a VX. To me it's just another crossover instead of a true SUV.

I still love the shape (and especially loved the green paint on the one I saw), but I no longer have any interest in ownership.

It's really more cross over than SUV. It's a styling exercise, nothing more, unfortunately. But it came out at the right time. The VX and the Lambo LM002 had already paved the way.