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Most likely; he was shot twice (double-tap) to the left side of his face (left eye & left cheek area), because Osama had his right cheek resting on his own rifle butt stock as he was returning gunfire at the SEALS. The left side of his face was the unprotected portion of his head, plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Barker
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Just shoot a PM if you're interested!
Bob, I'm interested!
the pic with the supposed shot is a fake from 2009. no pics has been released yet...
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Originally Posted by JoFotoz
Nor should we whoop and holler like a bunch a fanatical redneck yahoos. A human being died a violent death. As an independently thinking person raised with Christian values, I think we should be praying for the day that measures such as this should never be needed again, rather than reveling in it.
Truly, the spectacle of the ravenous crowd of hate fans @ the White House gates was disturbing to me. Its no less banal than the idiot Islamists we see doing the EXACT same thing and think to ourselves that "those people are so backward".
Hate begets hate.
Revenge may be sweet, but killing one figurehead of one terrorist organization does not stop the hate.
Oh well, looke like it matches how they described the shot that killed him last night. So if it's a fake then it's a lucky representation of how he actually did die. :yesy:Quote:
Originally Posted by VXD959
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Originally Posted by Bob Barker
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9...7854270128.jpg
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ha! I've been waiting for all the funnies of bin laden getting killed to start surfacing! Found a few good ones.
Excerpted from Lettermans top 10 list of bin laden's last words:
1. CRAP!
2. I need a house full of Navy Seals like I need a hole in the head...:laughing:
OMG...
..I guess YOU have experience putting operatives in harms way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
And making a call that potentially costs HUMAN lives.
(and if you do...you should know the angst, and not make light of it)
You make that Call marlin...you take the blame.
(And if you have..nuff said, it aint easy.)
Obama STEPPED UP, , and he made the CALL....REQUIRING PROOF.
AND..he got it ALL.
As for your "hunting lions in Kenya", and "Gang banging in Detroit"....
.......you should be ashamed you even wrote that...FULL STOP.
I'm betting ya think young Bush was a military man.....(mission accomplished)....OMG..LOL !!!
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Politics be gone...a great service to the WORLD was undertaken with heroism and potential political suicide.
It worked.
No need to gloat, no need to desecrate, no need for outrageous jingoism......
......just give thanks none of our guys were hurt.
...and be prepared for retaliation.
To paraphrase Churchill...
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
:o
jo
Holy hell Marlin PLEASE don't respond and we can all just move on!
Make a new thread or something! Just let this one go in the right direction!
No worries Bob...
..if you wanna play Switzerland, and have no input... so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Barker
But If Marlin wants to respond...he will.
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jo
You know, looking at the photo of the administration's top brass and executives sitting in the war-room watching it go down real time is pretty astonishing. I mean, that's gotta pretty intense stuff for a civilian to sit there and watch a group of SEALS take down a compound with live deaths on cam. Crazy. I can't imagine that's something they will ever forget.
Our men and women in uniform did a great service over the last decade and they deserve to feel proud. The President and his team also did THEM a great service by not carpet bombing this joint and letting the speculation persist forever and thereby robbing our servicemen and women of ever having some closure and a feeling of completing the original mission they set out to do.
You have to also think of the message this sends to others around the world. We didn't just blindly get lucky and bomb the right building, we hunted your *** down, walked in through the front door and put a bullet in you.
I'm not your typical "patriot" by any stretch, but today I'm having a drink for everyone in uniform and all the intelligence and administration that made this happen. I'll even throw G.W. in there for good measure as there are a lot of people in this military think tank that he brought in. Congratulations to all those who fought, won, lost and sacrificed over the last decade and congratulations to the world at large for being free of one more evil and immoral psychopath.
How is that about having no input? Just because a couple of people can't find the "new thread" button the ones in here have to wade through the deep **** of others arguing opinions that never amount to anything in the oppositions views anyhow! It's not about wether I want to play Switzerland, it's about YOU and Marlin pushing your opinions on each other to make this thread into something uncivil and ruin the great achievement of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
I want to be able to see all the funny pics that LDub is gonna find on this without sifting through yours and Marlins overbearing opinions.
???.Marlin and I "Pushing our opinions."...!!
Excuse the hell out of me for debating...!!
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Wasnt it YOU who said, and I quote...
"Holy hell Marlin PLEASE don't respond and we can all just move on!
Make a new thread or something! Just let this one go in the right direction!"
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Seems to me like you made YOUR opinion pretty clear...
...indeed to the point of declaring... "the right direction"
Aint that a tad 'pushy'...overbearing even?
..or are you the 'right direction' monitor?
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jo
x2...unfortunately, this sort of behavior is inherent in our nature as human beings. Our first thought does not turn to compassion and lamentations, but to the pleasure elicited by fulfilled revenge. Definitely not saying I wanted that guy alive myself...though I just wish all the senseless misery and death could stop altogether. It's just a shame that corruption, greed, envy and hatred will always exist, and thus it will never stop...sorry if I'm starting to sound like a hippie. :righty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grif
Whatever. You can try and twist that to include me as one of the ones derailing this thread about a great American moment into a steamy pile of politics. That's the point of my overbearingly asking you two to start a new thread to express your opinions in a hopeless attempt to sway the other to see your views.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
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Originally Posted by JoFotoz
I gotta make a stand here myself (& yes, you may quote me on this):
I have no response to that.
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Originally Posted by JoFotoz
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Well, lets sum it up. The president ratings are horrible, campaign season is starting, grocery costs are up 30% from what they were 6 months ago, silver has doubled, oil has damn near doubled, foreclosures and government welfare at all time highs. He needed a miracle, low and behold, he made himself a really trivial miracle. Much the same as assassinating our president would have no effect on our nation, neither does taking out bin laden.
I would guess none of it matters. The American dollar is worth crap right now, that is why silver and gold are setting record highs. It isn't because there is a shortage, there is plenty of it, its not a commodity like oil that we NEED. An ounce of silver is always worth an ounce of silver. That means the dollar is worth less than it ever has before. Our deficit is impossible to pay off....enter smoke and mirrors of supposed justice killing. DO I think he should have died, most certainly, trial and execution, and who better to be the judge than the US. Do I think they killed him a few days ago, not a chance. If so, we are fools, countless billions and a decade of hunting.
That makes us look like idiots, like mindless animals with blood in their nose. The terrorists won the war hands down without a doubt, billions and a decade to catch a handful of their guys....they spent a few million and got thousands, not to mention the significant change in our lifestyles that are forever.
Sorry, rant off
Not sure why I would take back the Kenya lion hunting or detroit gang banging? He is from Kenya and started his political career with the political mob in Chicago. I figured, who better to go shoot if you are from chicago, DETROIT!! They don't have jobs and no one cares about them?
I can almost hear him saying "hiiiiiiiiyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!" when he kicks the door. hahaha
Only if the teleprompter tells him to:bgwb:Quote:
Originally Posted by samneil2000
As much as I'd love to celebrate this:
Two reasons they finally shot Osama Bin Laden:
1)To get everybody to forget about looking @ Obama's recently released, fake Birth Certificate and raise his approval rating before re-election.
2)They got a new fall-guy to blame now for any new attacks......Libya's Muammar Gaddaffi.
Plus, They pre-empted Donald Trump's Show "The Apprentice" for the Breaking News Story of Osama Bin Laden's death....coincidence....I think NOT!!!!!
Sorry in advance Bob. :)
Gag me. I can't imagine the pressure-packed hours that must have been spent debating over whether to put people in harms way to kill OBL - oh wait, that's right, that's the same decision that Obama ALREADY made when he sent even more troops (magnitudes larger than one Seal team) into Afghanistan. The same decision that Bush made to invade Afghanistan almost a decade ago. I would suggest that it would have taken far more courage for him NOT to order the attack - talk about the political suicide that would have ensued if he (to quote a popular Republican barb) wussed out like a typical liberal. Deciding to carpet bomb the entire town to get one guy - that would have been a difficult decision. Sending a small, heavily armed and highly trained team into a single building to shoot up a few bad guys? News flash, we do that every single day over there WITHOUT the President's direct involvement, and somehow missions still succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
Obama did nothing exceptional in this situation - he made the obvious choice that almost anyone else would have made based upon the well-assembled, actionable intelligence put in front of him. The adulation should be focused on the military and intelligence community, both the specific group that supported this operation, as well as the larger body that supports and executes these lethal missions every single day. Attributing (to whatever degree) the success of a single tactical operation to the President of the United States is a bit like saying that you or I killed OBL by paying the taxes that funded the training and bullets. It's technically true but mostly self-deluding.
I hear you guys, but I think you choose to see what you want to see (me included). Were those angry hate-mongerers outside the White House and at Ground Zero, or were they Americans who have had nothing but discouragement since 9/11 (seemingly never-ending war in Iraq and Afghanistan, an economy and job market in the toilet, etc.) celebrating that their country had finally achieved the main objective of the "War on Terror"? We've been looking for this guy for a LONG time, and have spent trillions trying to kill him - are we not entitled to breathe a sigh of relief and show a little excitement? I'll agree that the obsession over how he died, seeing pictures, wishing his death was incredibly painful, etc. is over the top. I just don't think it's fair to characterize these groups of celebrators as somehow equivalent to Islamic Jihadists firing AK-47's into the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeowMix
My coworkers and I have been trying to find out burial info for muslims. No where in the Quran can we find anything about the one day burial. Very convenient, why isn't there a video of the ceremony to satisfy all the muslims of the world that it was done right? If that was our primary concern, wouldn't we make a big deal out of it?
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." September 13, 2001, President George Bush
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." March 13, 2002, President George Bush
June 18, 2006: FBI says, it has "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - Reported by Fox News
Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...9280%2C00.html
And just when you think the birth certificate thang is put to bed:
attorneys argued on Monday before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that the requirements of the U.S. Constitution simply are too important to ignore for the sake of political expediency, even when they involve a sitting president.
FWIW, I'll swallow the pill that we really killed him, that it was really him, etc. But I have serious doubts as to whether we threw the body into the sea. At a minimum I would bet that "souvenirs" were taken - and my guess would be that the rest of him will be stored somewhere for safe keeping.
Just a hunch though.
would bet that "souvenirs" were taken .........
quote from my favorite movie "Harold and Maude"
- And souvenirs.
- Souvenirs?
Of your kill.
Eyes, ears, nose, scalp, privates.
and perhaps one of these? (harold pulls out shrunken head)
edited cuzz ive never figured how to use spell check on my ibook
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Originally Posted by Grif
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Originally Posted by MeowMix
Perceptions being what they are, it doesn't matter if the public celebrations can be ideologically equated or not. As was said before, people see what they want to see, so how can we suppose any radicals in the opposition are going to choose to view the celebrations that were being shown in US city streets after the OBL announcement? To see the opposition celebrating our loss sure added fuel to our fire back then, and we don't even considers ourselves radicals.
I've expressed this opinion elsewhere too, and the response was "but what we were celebrating was justified". Well no one said it wasn't, but what does that have to do with stopping for a moment to think, and wisely choosing what is in our own best interests to publicly celebrate as opposed to succumbing to knee-jerk emotional responses that make "us" look just as reactionary as "them"?
Except for the rulers most of these people cant read, dont have TV or even indoor plumbing. They think only what they are told by radicals and nothing we do or say is going to matter anymore than what Osama Bin Camelhumper said meant to us. Its time people realized the only thing sitting in a circle singing Kumbayah does is allow these lunatics a good shot at the back of your head. The saying goes those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Meaning if you want to stop these people you need to use the swordQuote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Nothing like ignoring what is being said and responding with a gross generalization to keep the discussion moving along.Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
"Perceptions being what they are, it doesn't matter if the public celebrations can be ideologically equated or not. As was said before, people see what they want to see, so how can we suppose any radicals in the opposition are going to choose to view the celebrations that were being shown in US city streets after the OBL announcement? To see the opposition celebrating our loss sure added fuel to our fire back then, and we don't even considers ourselves radicals."Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Pretty much addresses exactly whar the poster I quoted was saying.
A hint read then post
You are talking in circles again circ:yesb:Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
Allow me to complete the circle... Seahawks fans are such whiners! ;)
Well they haven't released ANY photos or videos yet, so I don't find that so hard to believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_funeral *ATTENTION* This wiki article was edited as early as today, so take that for what it is. The following links are dated earlier than 2011.
http://mortuarytransport.com/muslim-funeral-customs/
https://www.kfai.org/node/18704
http://www.funerals-and-flowers.com/...oms.html#islam
http://www.bmj.com/content/309/6953/521.extract
http://yojichan.multiply.com/photos/album/72
I mean, it's REALLY easy to Google "Muslim burial rituals" and see that there are plenty of source dated before yesterday (since this is all about a conspiracy to conceal that they didn't really get him, I'm sure) that talk about it needing to be done "as soon as possible" or "within a day". The Muslim's main concern is decay of the body or the disgrace of it being picked apart by predators, etc.
You and your friends have read the entire Quran in the last day? Diligent little scholars!
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Originally Posted by Marlin
It's also "REALLY easy to Google" the words Quran and search and come up with a whole list of sites that don't require you to read every word...Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
From what I've read it sounds like the 24 hour thing is a custom or tradition rather than an Islamic edict (or whatever it would formally be called).
True, but unless you're completely ignorant to religious texts such as the Bible and Quran, you'd also know that search for a concept or process can be difficult since much of the prose and wording in the books are not in the context of modern English speech patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_maverick
Therefore, someone who ISN'T trying to incite would just Google, "Muslim burial tradition" and not assume that everyone on the internet who's buried a Muslim in the past decade has been doing it as a ruse to back up a conspiracy that would take place in 2011.
Get real.
I give up :laughing:
Sorry, Bob! It sucks you in man! It's like a downward spiral WITH a tractor beam!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Barker
Tell you what, I'll go get something awesome post here just for you and Dub.
;)