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Originally Posted by cyronman
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I like it!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by cyronman
I agree completely here. Boxters carry the "cheap Porsche" stigma even among the Porsche crowd I think. And yes, they are girly.Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
I admit, they seemed to be trying there at least. But I think when compared, the Mitsubishi Lacer Evo has a cooler (meaner) looking front end.Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
Agreed. I am not comparing the WRX and the Porsche as rally vehicles. Obviously, if a person buys a Subi to actually rally it, I can understand. Like you and PB said, that is what they were built for. I guess its just the people who buy a Subi, or a Lancer, or a Honda Accord for that matter, and try to make a race car out of it. I do not understand that. Unless, like Jack said, it is an envy thing, except envy that you can't afford a REAL sports car so you have to make one with a 4-door sedan. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
My whole beef is not with the cars themselves. Like I said, I'm sure they are really fast, and super reliable. I even think I read somewhere that Subis were voted the most reliable brand of automobile recently by like Consumer Reports or something. My point is, like I said above, why spend the money tricking out a 4-door sedan when you could, in many cases, but a car that looks like a sports car AND drives like one too?
I would never buy a WRX, and if I went out an bought a Porsche right now, it would probably be a pristine black 928 or a Cayenne. Like I said above, the 911 is the wife's, and although it is nice, it ain't my style really.Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
I feel the same way I feel about Subis as I do about Mercedes and BMWs. If I had $80k to spend on a car, there ain't NO EFFING way I would buy a BMW. I would be buying a used Ferrari, a Porsche, a DeLorean, a Lotus, something BAD @$s! Not some yuppie luxury sports sedan...;puke2;Quote:
Originally Posted by technocoy
And I agree about the new muscle too. Why spend $35k on a new Mustang
when I could own a CHERRY restored, uber tuned 1972 Mach 1? :wtfy:
Still, a good discussion...
Bart
Yeah, man, sorry, I REALLY effed this thread up... :mbrasd:Quote:
Originally Posted by etlsport
Bart
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Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
no worries my friend... i dont ever mind TJ'ing..this site would be boring without it..Quote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
I sort of agree and sort of don't. I don't like the new Camaro as it is HUGE since they basically put a 2-door car on a 4-door Pontiac G8 chassis. Same for the Challenger...looks bloated since they put a 2-door car on a 4-door Dodge Charger chassis. Both are HEAVY.
I never cared for the early mustangs until about '67 to '72 and never cared for the '80's or '90's versions. Went to the Auto Show in 2005 and liked the Mustang GT...but, didn't want to spend 29 grand + for one.
Finally, came home with an '07 GT w/5-speed manual that had 5,200 miles on the clock (stored winters) for $19k.
I'm not a poster child for Ford either...only owned one other...'79 Bronco. Other than snapping a timing chain & toasting a motor plus rusting profusely..it was reliable.
I really didn't want a 'vintage' muscle car again....had one...'69 Roadrunner. Don't feel like messing with carbs or tracking down parts. Agreed that they produce TONS of torque and are classics...but, I just wanted a MODERN car with MODERN fuel injection..no hassles..modern conviences...get in, turn key, starts and goes without bucking down the highway when cold..vapor-locking when hot...etc. plus it will be my daily driver along with my motorcycle during spring/summer/fall...then my VX is the DD in winter.
I basically bought mine because it was AFFORDABLE as opposed to a new one that has the same engine for $32k or a new Camaro SS for $32k+ or a new Challenger R/T for mid-thirties. The latter two won't deal because they are new models where as the Mustang has been out since '05...
I don't get the younger generations fixation on sedans either. My buddy @ work was looking to buy a car for his son and he said he was looking for around an '04-'05 for around $8k-$9K or less and preferred an import for reliability. I found him a "cherry" '05 Toyota Celica GT-S, Silver, for around $8K and his son "insisted" he wanted a 4-door....wound up getting a '05 Toyota Corolla...for $9k....WTF??????
Ya, you're right. You just don't get it. Trust me, I could go on and on about that VX that you drive. Hypocrite. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
I have to admit, the one thing that I do like about the modern muscle, is AT LEAST there is some semblance of style. I agree, the 80s and 90s stangs had a piss poor design, just pug ugly all around. The new Stang at least looks decent, despite it being a throw back, which was intentional. The new Camaro looks decent too, but there is just something about it that don't like and for the life of me I can't put my finger on it...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er
It's funny, my dad has always been a Chevy nut. I never really took sides. But when I told him I liked the old Mach 1s, he was like, "really?". :D Like I kicked him in the nuts or something. :rotate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er
But, when it comes right down to it, I will walk over to the Ford line for one reason and one reason only, and that is what I believe to be the nastiest, knarleiest, baddest car EVER in the history of modern automobiles: The Last of the V8 Interceptors...
http://www.nofuture.com/lj/2009/02-25-09/02.jpg
My life long dream car. :D
So Ford wins, even though it's Ford Australia.
Bart
Theeere you are Worm! Better late than never, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by WormGod
It's ok, I still love you and Jack even though you guys like those 4-door race cars for some odd reason. :p
Bart
That's ok. You can ask questions that really have no answers all you like. It entertains me. Sorta like watching a 6 month old blow raspberries. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
On topic though, I followed progress of this '09 Subaru Forester SEMA project emergency response vehicle.
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/118...er+at_sEMA.jpg
Totally dig it. Pretty strange and until it is actually "field tested", it's just another show car to me, but I think that something like this might have a professional market if it went that route.
Full story here: http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...cle/index.html
really bart???? that thing??? its FREAKIN hideious!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
looks like somebody chopped the crap outta an 80's mustang and tried to do some welding...but was a crappy welder...
plus, whats with the 4 exhaust pipes out the side??
Jack, you mean to tell me you have never seen Mad Max or the Road Warrior before? Are you serious? I mean sure, if you don't like it that's fine, but to not know what it is from??? How old are you again? :wtfy:Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
:p Bart
definately not old enough to appreciate that ugly thing...
must be a fantasy thing from a movie??? or someone you know who drove one??
I love the two tone gloss and satin paint that this guy did.:thumbup:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_QnFRTjqRrtQ/Rf...s/IMG_2753.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_QnFRTjqRrtQ/Rf...4/IMG_2754.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_QnFRTjqRrtQ/Rf...s/IMG_2752.JPG
Mad Max 2 is one of the best post apocalyptic movies ever made. Not seeing it is like not seeing Star Wars. Its just bizarre.;)
Originally, it would have looked like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
http://www.gt351.com.au/image_librar...iped_Coupe.jpg
And yes, that is the car from Mad Max. Isn't Mad Max or AT LEAST the Road Warrior like REQUIRED viewing for every male at the age of 12 or was that just me? Man, I guess I am getting old...:wtfy:
So you really don't like any of this stuff, Jack?
http://www.mustang-blogs.com/wp-cont...1-380x380o.jpg
http://www.timelessrides.com/files/1972-javelin.jpg
http://static.racingjunk.com/63/ui/9...-Prostreet.jpg
If you answer is no, than this explains a lot about things and why you like 4-door race cars. :) It's just a big generation gap I guess.
Bart
Exactly, I don't understand how kids today grow up without seeing at least the Road Warrior, Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by kodiak
I mean, my dad showed me all sorts of stuff from the 60s and 70s, and I watched LOADS of movies as a kid. Jack, please tell me you have AT LEAST seen Red Dawn? I probably watched that movie like 1200 times as a kid.
The gloss and satin job is the "Black on Black" as it was painted in the first movie.
Bart
That's still pretty odd, I mean that would be like us not seeing Planet Of The Apes, Dr Strange Love and Flight of the phoenix. It's just not right.:_thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
Perhaps, but I also suppose I said that jokingly...I think. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZEUS
Hmmm, I have neither heard of, or seen €œFlight of the phoenix€. Time to queue it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by kodiak
Bart
The Flight of the Phoenix ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
oh man...i guess im showing my age :rollgray:
no, but really.. i have heard of some of these films, but no...i havent seen em...never really been into sci-fi though to be honest...
and actually no on the cars bart, all of those look like over-heavy hunks of metal...i can appreciate them for being a good vehicle for their time, but they are dead now and FAR outdated...
dont get me wrong, i can appreciate that at the time, that was an amazing vehicle..but nowadays, it just seems useless. big, heavy, ugly, stock-has no power....yes with lots of $$$ and time one can make one of those really fast...but that can be said with ANY vehicle...
as whitney has watched us discuss throughout this thread she just keeps telling me, "its all about what you grow up with, thats what was cool when they were 16, so to them its cool stll...to you, japanese cars are cool, so its cool to you"....sadly enough, i think shes right again :(
I am 29 and I grew up as ricers were gaining popularity and fat exausts. I appreciate some of them but I also grew up with a '69 camaro in the garage. My real dad driving a '70 3/4 ton 4x and my grandfather (who owned a 39 ford until he was diagnosed with cancer when I was 15) owned his own auto parts store that I would play hookie from school so I could hang there all day.
Guess what I am trying to say is that age has nothing to do with it.
First off, Mad Max is not sci-fi. I would say action/adventure. And Red Dawn, well, let's just say Jack, that you NEED to go rent this asap, especially since you live in Colorado and like the outdoors. Red Dawn is not sci-fi. This film was as monumental, if not more so than Mad Max for me. Regardless of age, check it out. I think you might like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
That's because they are!! I would much rather have a heavy steel monster than a plastic toy. That's what amazed me about the Trooper, the whole thing is made of metal! The thing is a tank!Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
Well sure, of course they are outdated. Hell, the VX is outdated if you really think about it. For me, it has nothing to do with anything but the way they look. I really don't care for ANYTHING that came out of the 70s, but the cars. IMO, there has been NOTHING the American auto industry has produced since then that I even remotely like. IMO, the 80s was the greatest era for exotics and the 90s, well, basically it had nothing at all until the VX. And today, again, I fall back because I think just about everything is boring/looks the same/ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
Useless, true. Expensive, absolutely. Stock-has no power, not sure about that one, I never thought a 351 V8 was powerless, but again, I am strictly talking about the looks here. Do the looks of a vehicle even matter to you, Jack? Or is it all about economy and power?? Given the fact that you own a VX, I have to think you care at least a little about style and aesthetics!Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
Well, yes and no. I think she is right to an extent. If she were 100% right, than I really shouldn't like early 70s muscle at all, since I wasn't even alive yet, but for me, it was something that I have always loved since I was a kid. I can't stand 70s music at all (save for the Moody Blues and some late 70s disco and of course punk), and I hate the clothing styles of the 70s, but the short period between 1970 and 1974 produced the coolest looking American cars EVER, imho. I like 80s cars too, and to say I don't like Japanese cars is wrong (I have a VX, remember?). I really love the 80s Japanese sports cars like the Datsun 280z, the old Supras, and cars like that. Going further back, I don't really care for much from the 1960s, but then the 1950s, I have to admit I like a little of that. A well done rat rod can look pretty sweet. And you wanna talk heavy hunks of metal!Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
I think you and I differ because I won't give anything the time of day if I think it doesn't look cool first. Life is too short to drink cheap beer, drive a boring vehicle, and diet. You only live once, so shoot for the stars, man!
:_beer:
Bart
Sorry for your infortune luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
I'll be going to NJ & look at more of those racing/drag contests & have some videos/pics to share with you guys.
The 1rst two times i went was in my brother 'n law pathfinder,but next time i'll getting my horse over there to cause some conmotion :evil:
With what Justin said above, Jack, I hope you don't think I am ganging up on you or anything, not at all, just killing time and having fun discussing things. It's all good!Quote:
Originally Posted by ZEUS
:_beer:
Bart
Justin’s right if you haven’t experience a true muscle car then you’re missing out on quite an experience. I’ve owned one or two in my day and this was my favorite. Well technically it’s a pony car, but boy did it have power. :p
http://www.amcarys.no/Medlemmer/Dag_...men/cougar.jpg
1968 Cougar XR-7. Mine wasn’t quite this nice. :o
justin, bart...not at all...
im reading this thread with a smile on my face.
i enjoy discussing cars...its hard to find ANYONE around here who doesnt just simply say...well its a ricer and its not worth a crap...
and justin, i think you are probably right...if i got in the passenger (or better driver ;) ) seat of a built muscle car im sure i wouuld have a smile on my face... then let me flip the coin on you and say that if you got in my buddy/mechanic's 09 skyline GTR you would probably have a smile on your face as you take a 15mph turn at 90mph.... or as you get sideways at 80+ MPH in his fully built nissan silvia...or even sitting passenger in his 'little' honda civic... oh ya, it runs 11.6 1/4 mile at 6,400ft elevation ;)
i guess there is a time and place for anything...any fast car is fun to ride in...and i love pretty much all cars :naughty:
dude, the Vector is a MEAN MACHINE....
didnt they also make a W12 version???
ya, i personally love the R34 best (next to the R35)...i think the body styling is just classic...
one of my car buddies here in greeley has an R32 daily driver...not too pretty YET..ill try to get some pics for ya ;)
I had an El Camino for a few years.
One of my co-workers came up and asked me to hit the hydraulics. He really thought all El Caminos could bounce.
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Originally Posted by kodiak
Nice, I still have my Candy Midnight Blue 302-4V 1968 Cougar with Violet Pearl Clear-coat. It's my very first car from high school; has now been restored to show room condition and has won many 1st Place "Best of Show" trophies. It's in my garage, parked next to my VX.
Very rare to hear muscle cars being ''poo pooed'' as useless and outdated. Speaking to their held value should tell you they are certainly not worthless. Time will tell if a Subaru will hold equal value as a driving icon as the muscle cars do to this day. I certainly do not get "happy" squeezing into a civic "tin can" and having a 16 year old driver show me what fun behind a wheel is all about. I'll definitely pass on that.
Cheers
good thing me, nor my mechanic are 16 huh?? im almost 23 and my mechanic is almost 30 now....
his civic is fully race built...all motor, not driven on the street, although it is street legal... no turbo's or superchargers and it runs that well at high altitude, which says a lot for the car..
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Originally Posted by Riff Raff
Very cool!:yes: Mine was a 302 4V and a stick but it definitely wasnt in showroom condition, I couldnt believe how much power that thing had. Im still kicking my self for selling it.:_brickwal Post some pix, Id love to see yours.
Man, if you only knew the half of it. I've in the process of acquiring this car for over 7 years. It's a long (and rather stupid :mbrasd:) story, but nonetheless, it has been a loooong wait. Accessible yes, but I made some mistakes along the way that I could have avoided if I was at the same frame of mind and life state that I am in now. Either way, the day is almost here and despite the basically horrid condition it is in (imagine AWOL with a lot of crusty brown holes) I am extremely determined to see this project through and build my dream car.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZEUS
Bart
I've seen plenty of them, maybe on pinks-and hundreds on the streets. All the drivers I see are very young, and I doubt if a hi-percentage have full roll cages, I imagine getting a car to fly that fast has alot to do with it's weight-thus the "tin can" comment. Glad you have a niche you like, it's your life- like whatever you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
I'm a HUGE Mad Max fan as well and can't wait to see your project come to life and <hopefully> get to see the completion of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
I do have a die-cast collectible of the interceptor (numbered collectible) that came from Australia via Ebay that sits proudly on my display shelf! This was the very reason I bought the SC for my VX as I never had a SC'd vehicle and longed to hear that blower whine that has haunted me since seeing 'Mad Max' for the first time (can't even say how many times I've viewed it since!)
Those are referred to as collectors....(IIRC sometimes called 'zoomies')Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
if the ones in the pic aren't simulated (fake), their purpose was to hook up directly to the header pipes coming off the engine... so in effect each pipe is exhausting each cylinder independently. That's why there is (actually) 4 pipes on each side of the car (V8). You see the same thing on FunnyCars (NHRA dragsters).
sure, im well aware of the drag and funny car reasoning behind it...but they also pump 16 gallons of fuel in 1/4 mile....they need to get all that out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er
(close family friend races T/F drag)
DJVX- most of the ones you see on the street cant do those type of numbers, they just like to think they can. i love my niche and will defend and protect it almost as much at my VX niche ;)
ME TOO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er
I've seen that die-cast model and on several occasions I almost bought it. But stopped myself and said, "no, I'm gonna wait for the REAL thing". The super charger and blower unit will be the final piece of the puzzle for me. The body kit alone is going to run me about $4000 that I don't have at the moment. There are 2 options for the blower, a working unit (that gives the car somewhere around 500/600 horsepower, so I've read) or a phony unit (as was used in the films). Obsioulsy, the working unit is NO JOKE when it comes to price and I have read that you really need to "beef up" the frame much like drag racers do to their cars to handle the power that Jack thinks muscle cars can't have. :D (sorry, kid, I couldn't help it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er
That is correct. You will notice in the pic there are no rear exhaust pipes. That particular car has working zoomies, I have a couple more pics of it where you can see the exhaust coming out. I will be buying these eventually:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger VX'er
Zoomies
It's gonna be a crazy summer.
Bart
Don't forget that this car was made for a movie, and a lot of the mods were fake or not necessary and just done for looks...looks that I admire quite a bit as well. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
Bart
no no....i didnt say that they cant produce power, i know they can produce power... i just think that they are over-rated and far out-dated. and i prefer to get power out of something that can also take corners and stop as well as it can go forward ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
ahhh, ok...now it makes more sense, see i wasnt aware that it was a car made for a movie..i thought the one you pictured was the stardard version of that car...Quote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
Cornering and stopping is for wusses! It's a pure adrenalin rush to get one of these 4000 pound musclecars into the triple digits when you are riding on skinny bias-belted tires (what's a speed rating??), non-power drum brakes (the brakes don't fade 'cause there ain't no brakes to start with), and a suspension lifted from the 50's (minimize that unspung weight.) What fun is it if the car can do everything better than the driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
http://home.comcast.net/~gregg.north/Cobra09.jpg
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Originally Posted by Cobrajet
see, that doesnt appease me much for a daily driver...drag strip car...thats a different story, but thats not the discussion ;)