So, Jo...whats the latest on these C/F hood inserts?:bump::rotate::naughty::whiteflag::dan_ban :
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So, Jo...whats the latest on these C/F hood inserts?:bump::rotate::naughty::whiteflag::dan_ban :
Well Billy...
...I'm thinking site supporters will get 20% off....:dance:Quote:
Originally Posted by Triathlete
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And can it have a low scoop? Can it? Please? Can it? :bwgy: :_drool:
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hey JO did your wonderful wife go to space yet???????thread jack..hehe
"I'm still not too clear on what the stock hood insert is made of. Is it fiberglass, or fiberglass on top of something else, or what? I'd like to get some local estimates on getting mine repaired, but I reckon I need to know what it's made of first..."
tworavens,
I was told by one of the guys I got an estimate from that it is SMC (or something like that - I'll edit this post if I ever find out for sure). That stands for Sheet Molded Composit (I think). Basically it's not fiberglass & that's why the repair estimates are so high - fiberglass resin just won't stick to it reliably.
I'm going to try to do the repair myself using this stuff I've had good luck with in the past called PC-7. Home Depot is supposed to be a distributer but I used to get it from True Value.
I've already promised my current insert to another member but I'll try to keep fixing them & making them available if it all works out.
Tom
A little TJ here (sorry Jo :flower:) But after workin' mine over with the sander, I had no problem feathering/blending in the hood scoop & fang extender thingies using a strand reenforced bondo (kitty hair). That was over a year ago, & so far no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
Where I have had problems, is with moisture bubbling up under the finish. It's like the bottom side isn't sealed well enough, & allows condensation to infiltrate up throught the panel...:sighwgray
Another issue I had, was my own lack of forsight, I applied the hood scoop & fang thingies with 3M double stick, & mistakenly thought that the bondo would also act as an adhesive...wrong! Cracked all the way around the perimeter of all 3 peices.
When I get around to a "do-over" I'll use a high quality epoxy, like PC-3 or equivalent to bond the decorations to the insert.
Thanks for the info. I can now add 'Hood Insert' to my to-do list, after Windows, Cladding Refurbishing, Stereo/GPS Installation, 3" Lift, Roof Rack, Winch, Hitch, Wiper Arm Refinishing, and figuring out what the Fuzzy Hole is for.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
Fuzzy Hole purpose??? That's the million dollar question; nobody knows. However, most of us buy the little Hot Wheels toy VX car (same color of course), and put it in the Fuzzy Hole (fits perfect). You can easily find VX Hot Wheels on eBay for cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by tworavens
By the way, as JO has already mentioned numerous times-- "This thread is dead, please let it die!!!"
Yeah, got the Hot Wheels cars, but couldn't find one in Dragon Green so need to touch it up still.
Okay, this thread is dead to me now.
"........and figuring out what the Fuzzy Hole is for."
That's where I keep my Copenhagen.
This thread popped up on my list of threads with a new post. It shows having a post today. I click on it and see the last post was actually in July. I get a lot of these showing up as having new threads but when clicked only have old posts.
IIRC this happens to threads with polls on the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
If someone votes on the poll, I shows up as a new post, even if there is no new post.
I admit it can be annoying to people (including me) that use the "Unread posts" link.
PK
That cracking and the bubbles may be what the fiberglass guy was referring to. Ida know, just shooting in the dark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
I'd like to get one. Maybe if people don't let it die we can get them after all.
I couldn't find one in Dragon Green so I just put a clock thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Riff Raff
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da.../IMG_00011.JPG
There seems to be lots of new interest...!!
We didnt have enough people to make this viable back in April/may 09...
...but maybe we do now.
I'm a little busy for the next month or so..but will try and get some new options and quotes as soon as I can.
Question is...scooped or not scooped...?
And if scooped...we all need to agree on a design.
jo
I'm into the WRX type scoop but I'm cool with smooth too. Mark me down as flexible!
Jo, I would order one with a scoop, but not one without.
Not fussy about the type of scoop.
PK
Scoop for me...:bwgy::smilewink:bgwo::bgwb:
Not too picky, but like the WRX style the best. The T-Bird one looks good also.
Have a great day.
I'm in if it has a scoop...
Something like this one would be cool.
http://www.yourhotcar.com/prod/Carbo..._102894/12430/
http://images.buyautotruckaccessorie...26_ProAero.jpg
Go all the way!
Replace the iggle with a skull & Ldub will be all over it.
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Originally Posted by tom4bren
Did anyone ever make a decision on this? My OEM hood insert is cracking pretty badly and I need a replacement. Also, I prefer no scoop, but only because I want to airbrush a picture on the insert. If everyone else wants a scoop, that's fine with me. Will the insert be matte or glossy? Is that a ridiculous question to ask? Can carbon fiber be made matte?
I can't imagine paint of any kind sticking to a slick CF surface without sanding, which you'd have to do to the entire insert or only under your intended design, neither of which sounds easy. Seems like you'd be better off to get a used insert in good shape.
Raw c.f. is gonna have the same issues as our beloved cladding. ..Since it is recommended that the piece be clearcoated, it would lend itself perfectly to having a design painted on it before the clear goes on.
Is it the consensus here that a hood scoop never makes sense on any VX under any circumstance?
I mostly drive at elevations ranging from 5,000 to 13,000ft so it's possible my experience only pertains to high elevations. When I drove my WRX, performance of the 2.0 intercooled engine (before the turbo kicked in) was solid for an AWD heavy car. Maybe at high elevations, intercooling makes such a difference, as an already oxygen starved engine gets denser, oxygen richer, cool air. The few times I drove at lower elevations and before turbo lag, it seems like performance was strong as well. I'm a big fan of intercoolers. A performance mod that saves gas.
I think some of the problem is that some want a smooth hood while most want it with a scoop. There's others, that don't have a reason to upgrade as they only want performance mods. I believe that a hoodscoop is rice, unless it is functional. But I'm a big fan of a functional scoop.
Even if forced induction or engine compartment cooling doesn't warrant the upgrade, couldn't the scoop be made to cool an intercooler with the air intake in the fender? Someone could design a I/C system, either available for NA or SC engines, with a high-performance filter and housing, with a fender intake. I think then we would have a great reason to have a scoop.
So people just wanting the visual of a scoop would be happy, and those that want a performance mod would be happy as well. Intercoolers are fairly cheap, and I know we have some engineers or just really knowledgeable members here that could come up with a system. The other advantage of this mod is you wouldn't have to do it all at once, so it would be approachable for more people. If we timed it with income tax return time, it may help as well.
I'd be one that probably wouldn't bother with the upgrade, unless I could go all the way, and then I'd be super excited about it. So what do you say Jofotoz, do we revive this thread?
can they make a full set of CF cladding as well?
Now we're talking!Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingV77
Those would be extremely expensive. I don't see 20 of us to commit to that one. The molds are obviously way more complex.
I thought air was thinner at higher elevations?Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyDude
Maybe jdm_monkey would know? He's working on designing a turbo kit in his spare time, which I'm sure includes an intercooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyDude
You are right, air is thinner at high elevations. Cooling the air makes it denser, and therefore it has more oxygen. My point is, maybe this effect is more evident at high elevations?
I see your logic there, but the fact is that the air gets thinner before it gets cooler. Any benefits taper off pretty quickly. Otherwise you'd see piston driven prop planes flying a lot higher(like jet higher). Many old WWII fighters were supercharged and intercooled and it only got them so far. Also intercooling as a gas saver? I never heard of that one. From my understanding the denser air charge is used to allow the turbochargers compressed/heated air to cool down and become denser so more fuel could be burned. As far as the scoop/ no scoop argument. Has anyone thought about the consequences of all the miscellaneous debris that's going to end up in your engine bay? I would think an induction style would make a lot more sense from a functional/ease of use standpoint. Looks about as cool too.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying. You lose MPG as you go up in altitude. An intercooler does make the air denser, so I guess it would be comparable to driving at a lower elevation.
But I do agree, for me, it's not about driving conservatively. The intercooler provides more oxygen, so that I can use more skinny pedal for the turbo or supercharger. I think in and of itself, the intercooler provides more oxygen, and if used conservatively, would aid in MPG. I know some people that own Turbos on the 92x site, but drive it below boost, so they can run regular gas, and they do report very good gas mileage. To me, it sounds a little ridiculous. Kind of like buying full skid plates, but not wanting to take it off-road.
I'm guessing if tested, more hydrocarbons would come out of a NA vehicle compared to one outfitted with a IC. If the IC provides a more complete burn, you would expect better performance and better MPG. Before you decide to floor it anyway.
Heck, I would drop the $$ for C/F cladding. Just to shave the weight. But ya, the issue is getting enough interest cause those molds would be pretty insane and not worth the time without enough inventory interest.
I would still be down for a C/F insert (another one), but I am probably in the minority since I want extraction, not induction.
Isn't an induction hood the same as an extraction hood? You do realize an induction hood isn't the one with a forward facing scoop right? An induction hood helps pull air out of the engine bay, not catch it and ram it in lke a scoop.
I personally realize that but worded it like that since most here have always understood it that way (I'm an old dog here). Just so folks understand.
I have a "ram air" scoop (Ala WRX) currently, and it is useless. The older Evo 8-9 venting is pretty ideal for my application.
http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/Me...01/VL-ET-1.jpg
can they make a complete hood as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
For your left arm and first born I'm sure they could make any shape out of carbon fiber! But it's gonna be 'spensive! I looked into a cf hood for my Mach once, priced around $700, and that was a semi mass produced hood! Can't imagine the price tag for a one off hood!