IRS(not I.R.S.) in VX

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Originally Posted by nfpgasmask

...but, in addition to what I said above, I think this spells it out clearly:

THIS:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74...t-Front-An.jpg

Makes about as much sense as THIS:
http://images.truckinweb.com/tech/su...ive_offset.jpg

But then again, as many have said, "to each his own".

:) Bart

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I love that SMART ForFun2, especially towing that big CAT dozer as a spare!

Lol!!!! I had replaced the stock engine with a lighter, 200 HP Quad Four (with a Torsen transaxle), and firmed up the suspension with some aftermarket parts, so speeding was actually possible! I'll admit, however, that I could probably get a ticket riding a Segway! Sometimes, I just seemed to attract them.......

Randy

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Originally Posted by Bieredalsace

From day one look at how the VX was advertised by Isuzu.
Racing on Bonnevile Salt Flats Obviously a spoof but a reference to th VXs ability at speed and all the other ads showed it as a normal car type vehicle for everyday highway drivng. I did't see one commercial by Isuzu using the VX for rock crawling or hard off roading.
So from day one your opinion of what the VX was for was in contradiction to what Isuzu thought the VX was for.
You and others just found an extra novel use for the vehicle.
I'm on the side of those who feel the VX is a unique everyday highway driver, grocery getter and attention grabber! IMHO

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Fair enough, and that is a good point indeed. However, I think we are both right and wrong; as stated in the Wikipedia article on the VX:

"The VehiCROSS was highly regarded for its cross-terrain performance. It combines a computer-controlled all-wheel-drive system for on-road driving and a locked-differential low gear four-wheel-drive system for off-road driving. Its computer controlled "Torque on Demand" system, with 12 independent sensors detecting wheel spin and redirecting power to the wheels with the most traction, gives the VehiCROSS a high level of traction on wet and icy roads. It also has a high level of performance for its height. While possessing on-road nimbleness, its body-on-frame truck construction, suspension and 4WD gearing made it very capable off-road."

I don't know the ACTUAL Isuzu thought process behind the VX, but I do believe initially it was designed to be a rally vehicle, at least structurally, while it was a HALO vehicle commercially. By the inherent nature of rally-cross, the VX needed to be good for both speed and hard off-roading. As I said before, I agree completely that the VX was never meant to be a hard-core rock crawler, but personally I cannot deny the VX's birthright to be off the pavement. IMO, It's hardly a "novelty".

Bart

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Originally Posted by nfpgasmask

Fair enough, and that is a good point indeed. However, I think we are both right and wrong; as stated in the Wikipedia article on the VX:

"The VehiCROSS was highly regarded for its cross-terrain performance. It combines a computer-controlled all-wheel-drive system for on-road driving and a locked-differential low gear four-wheel-drive system for off-road driving. Its computer controlled "Torque on Demand" system, with 12 independent sensors detecting wheel spin and redirecting power to the wheels with the most traction, gives the VehiCROSS a high level of traction on wet and icy roads. It also has a high level of performance for its height. While possessing on-road nimbleness, its body-on-frame truck construction, suspension and 4WD gearing made it very capable off-road."

I don't know the ACTUAL Isuzu thought process behind the VX, but I do believe initially it was designed to be a rally vehicle, at least structurally, while it was a HALO vehicle commercially. By the inherent nature of rally-cross, the VX needed to be good for both speed and hard off-roading. As I said before, I agree completely that the VX was never meant to be a hard-core rock crawler, but personally I cannot deny the VX's birthright to be off the pavement. IMO, It's hardly a "novelty".

Bart

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You win! And so do I! As you said we both had opinions of the VX that were correct......... and we both had opinions of the VX that were not correct. (Don't ask..this is too hard for me to explain logically) Hahaha

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Originally Posted by Bieredalsace

You win! And so do I! As you said we both had opinions of the VX that were correct......... and we both had opinions of the VX that wee not correct. (Don't ask..this is too hard for me to explain logically) Hahaha

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I think we are all on the same page...that is, the VX RULES! Period. On-road, Off-road, and just sitting in the garage!! :smilewink

Bart

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Originally Posted by nfpgasmask

Fair enough, and that is a good point indeed. However, I think we are both right and wrong; as stated in the Wikipedia article on the VX:

"The VehiCROSS was highly regarded for its cross-terrain performance. It combines a computer-controlled all-wheel-drive system for on-road driving and a locked-differential low gear four-wheel-drive system for off-road driving. Its computer controlled "Torque on Demand" system, with 12 independent sensors detecting wheel spin and redirecting power to the wheels with the most traction, gives the VehiCROSS a high level of traction on wet and icy roads. It also has a high level of performance for its height. While possessing on-road nimbleness, its body-on-frame truck construction, suspension and 4WD gearing made it very capable off-road."

I don't know the ACTUAL Isuzu thought process behind the VX, but I do believe initially it was designed to be a rally vehicle, at least structurally, while it was a HALO vehicle commercially. By the inherent nature of rally-cross, the VX needed to be good for both speed and hard off-roading. As I said before, I agree completely that the VX was never meant to be a hard-core rock crawler, but personally I cannot deny the VX's birthright to be off the pavement. IMO, It's hardly a "novelty".

Bart

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umm, not really disagreeing with you here bart, but ANYONE can put ANYTHING they want on wikipedia...so it really is a poor source of information...

lots of students try to use wikipedia in collegiate papers nowadays, teachers will REEM you if you try to use them lol....

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Originally Posted by pbkid

umm, not really disagreeing with you here bart, but ANYONE can put ANYTHING they want on wikipedia...so it really is a poor source of information...

lots of students try to use wikipedia in collegiate papers nowadays, teachers will REEM you if you try to use them lol....

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Oh I know, I have seen some pretty rediculous crap on there in fact. Either way, I only quoted it as a source for information I agreed with.

:) Bart

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...g232e_php.jpeg

WTH!:)

Any more pics of that VX?

N/M

http://www.tuareg.cz/cs/napsali-o-na...tove-body.html

Yes! Take a look.:cool:

http://www.tuareg.cz/cs/racing/italianbaja-2008.html

There isn't any stock suspension under that thing. I have to say, I actually don't mind the wide body kit on it. I always though it would look ugly, but I think they blended it well with the clading.

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Originally Posted by Bieredalsace

Kodiac that is a brilliant setup. What is it a Corvette IRS?
You're so right. The last thing that the VX can be accused of is giving a comfortable ride.
Where can someone get a setup like that?

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So, its not just me? The VX has to be the worst suspensioned car of all time on and off-road. Pitch and roll are the worst. I've tried everything within reason to settle this little beast down. I can't believe it won its class in the 1999 Dakar rally, must have been the only car in that class or it was so modified that it was unrecognizable.

My suggestion is jack up the body and pull another chassis under it, probably the cheapest solution. P.S. The Axiom doesn't have IRS.

Welcome to the forum maddawg.

Perhaps you can give us a little background as to what you are trying to do, or are having problems with, etc. I understand it is somehow related to the IRS and I can tell that you dislike it, but I would be interested to hear more details about your scenario.

For me, I have no issues with my everyday use of the VX. Not saying that there isnt an issue with the suspension, just saying it doesnt affect my scenario.

The 2 threads you posted in are 2-3 years old. Perhaps folks have come up with a solution or an improvement that might help you since then.

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Originally Posted by Maddawg

Pitch and roll are the worst. I've tried everything within reason to settle this little beast down.

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I somehat agree as I have most recently experienced some pitch and roll whereas the rear-end wanted to "step-out" on me violantly while traveling at higher speeds on uneven pavement during hard cornering on both city streets and the freeway (shoddy repaired pothole surfaces around corners creating a very bumpy, uneven surface).

At every experience, I was exceeding the posted speed limit and going way too fast for conditions (my fault). As a cure, I've since readjusted my driving habits and slow down appropriately and try to pick a more refined smoother line on the street/freeway as to avoid the bumpy uneven surface. The VX seems to agree with the less aggressive driving style on uneven surfaces.

Consequently, my best advice is to slow down and pick a smoother line while driving. Give it a try, and the VX will thank you.

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Thanks Riff Raff, misery loves company, lol. Even driving with some care I find that its too late in some instances to slow adequately. Some of the bumps/dips are nearly invisible at certain times of day, like at noon and no shadows. But I did reduce my tire pressure down from the decal rating of 29 psi to 27 psi. That seems to take some of the harshness out of the ride, but not the pitching and rolling.