Diesel swap: help needed

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12/03/2007, 02:28 AM
alanbradley

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Originally Posted by Joe_Black

It's all about the TORQUE baby! ;)

When you get into diesels it's a whole different language and mindset. Our new Mk5 Jetta is actually a mid-size car now, quite roomy and a bit on the hefty side, but the 1.9L diesel it has churns out only about 100HP and it scoots like nobody's business. Almost 200 pounds of torque make it happen. Glad I didn't get a red one! Think about it though, that's almost as much torque as our VX but at half the weight.

Best part of course was averaging 49 MPG from this last tank. :)

Please don't post these sort of things - as someone who's just agreed to trade his 50mpg Yaris diesel for a 3.2 litre petrol beast you're not helping the cognitive dissonance... :eek:

Meh, I don't do the mileage I did and diesel's 5p/litre more expensive than petrol here in the UK. Anyhow, I;ll be watching this thread with interest...

:thumbup:

Alan
12/03/2007, 06:23 AM
Tone

Sorry to be nay sayer but Posts like this rarely pan out. 40 posts already and no action taken. If they were going to do it, they would have already done so. Asking for assistance over the net on a project of this scale is questionable at best. Talk is cheap. DO it first and then TELL us about it....
05/27/2009, 05:17 PM
ZEUS

I found this interesting: http://www.isuzudieselswapper.com/index.html
05/27/2009, 05:29 PM
Joe_Black

Nice link Zeus, thanks! The 4B series of Isuzu diesels are great engines but more suited for full-size pickups 3/4 ton and up as they're fairly hefty engines. I've scoped out some NPR's locally that I've been offered in trade for my Mack Midliner and it's just not suitable for the VX. The 4J series however is another ballgame as that's what came in the Trooper and Rodeo so is a bolt-up proposition. I was sooooo close to getting two of them for one of our VX's and a Trooper but putting our daughter in private school was more important. Oh well, hopefully I'll have a job in a few years! :p
05/27/2009, 08:44 PM
Ldub

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tone

Sorry to be nay sayer but Posts like this rarely pan out. 40 posts already and no action taken. If they were going to do it, they would have already done so. Asking for assistance over the net on a project of this scale is questionable at best. Talk is cheap. DO it first and then TELL us about it....

CLASSIC TONE POST!!!!...:_beer:

I Sure Miss You Dude...:heart:
05/27/2009, 09:55 PM
Joe_Black

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Originally Posted by ZEUS

Wait, you recommended the 4BD2-TC as a good swapper before, didn't you? That was part of my basis for posting that link; what did you figure out? It's just too heavy for the VX?

Funnily enough, I was looking for swap ideas for the CUCV and stumbled upon that link, referenced it here, and what do ya know, the only other CUCV/VX owner is the 1st to notice! Do ya think the 4BD2 is a decent candidate for the CUCV? I have a 700R4 that I think will bolt up although it is a 2wd unit so I would have to have a divorced t-case as well. My other choices are a Banks Turbo kit or perhaps a Cummins 4BT... Been leaning toward the Banks but thought I would check out some options. I'll have to change my screen name to IDon'tKnowWhatIWantEither! :p

Yeah, it's just too heavy for our torsion bar suspension. :( Great engine though, although the more I learn about the 4JG2 the more I like it. I mean, it's not like Isuzu makes bad diesels, right? Of course the folks in Oz are getting their flame-typing gloves on to skewer me about the 4JX1!

A while back I picked up a Silverado minus engine as a cab donor for my M1028 and it came with a freshly built 700R4. It's tempting but I'm going to hold out for Kodiak/Top Kick 5-speed manual, that way I get the best of both worlds. Once I'm done putting a flatbed on my Mack I'm hoping to finally do the cab swap on the M1028 and put it back on the road. Too many projects!
05/28/2009, 07:24 AM
don moore

hmmmmmmm....ok
05/28/2009, 08:27 AM
TheGanzman

Not relevant to diesel conversion, but my longterm plan is to eventually convert mine to two wheel drive and 100% electric - much like the RAV4's that Toyota built several years ago. The VX - sans rear seat - makes the PERFECT candidate for an electric conversion. Lots of room behind the seats for a battery bank, full frame construction, (already) heavy duty suspension, and ultimately, a good roof platform for solar panels. The battery technology is getting better/cheaper/faster quite quickly. Look for substantial "energy credit(s)" - especially here in California - in the coming years, as we continue efforts to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. It was all part of my "master plan" in actually picking the VX in the first place; I'm looking forward to this project in a few years!:bgwg:
05/28/2009, 10:30 AM
Joe_Black

The weight of the VX is the killer in an all-electric application since mass is the enemy of efficiency. My fantasy electric is a VW Vanagon: unibody construction for light-weight strength, plenty of room, phenomenal underbody space for simple full length drop-down battery trays to optimize balance and lower CG, existing transaxle for simple bolt-up motor mounting with existing electric systems (either AC with regen or DC), and best of all you can make a "safari roof" of solar panels the full length of the Vanagon to not only provide supplmenary power and off-grid charge but passive cooling just like on older Land Rovers. You could even get radical and use two motors with a Vanagon Synchro for AWD!
05/28/2009, 08:00 PM
vt_maverick

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Originally Posted by Joe_Black

... My fantasy electric is a VW Vanagon...

Wow, that's a pretty sexy fantasy there... :p :laughy:

But hey, get it right and this could be you:

http://www.vanagon.com/media/syncro/...brochure_4.jpg
04/23/2012, 03:08 PM
eternal21

Hmmmmmmmmmm.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ISUZU-TROOPE...840bf7&vxp=mtr
04/23/2012, 05:10 PM
Triathlete

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Originally Posted by eternal21

Hmmmmmmmmmm.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ISUZU-TROOPE...840bf7&vxp=mtr

Thats a pretty good deal considering it has the tranny, tcase, wire harness, computer and front drive shaft. :)
04/23/2012, 07:17 PM
vt_maverick

Hard to say it's a good deal if they don't list the mileage...
04/23/2012, 07:57 PM
Triathlete

True
Should have said potentially a good deal :)
04/23/2012, 10:05 PM
eternal21

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Originally Posted by vt_maverick

Hard to say it's a good deal if they don't list the mileage...

It's a JDM engine, so I'm making an educated guess that the mileage is ~50k or less. I'm more surprised to see the MT than I am the engine, TBHWY.
04/24/2012, 11:50 AM
vt_maverick

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Originally Posted by eBay Ad

Your Swap comes with :
Engine
At transmission

What you're seeing in the picture is the 4WD shift lever, not the 5-speed lever.
04/24/2012, 04:02 PM
PK

Our experience here in Aussie, is to avoid the 3.1L diesel engine if you can.
The earlier 2.8L diesel turbo makes the same amount of power if the fuel pump is tweaked, and is far more reliable, uses less fuel, and has less turbo failures.

PK
04/24/2012, 06:36 PM
vt_maverick

But can it be mated to the AR-5?
04/24/2012, 06:42 PM
vt_maverick

And what do you know about the 4JX1 3.0L diesel? According to Wikipedia it superseded the 4JG2 3.1L in 1998 but was more "problematic."
04/27/2012, 10:13 PM
subject47

200 tdi or the 300 tdi wouldn't be to bad but might run you a lil bit more cash.

they are the 4 cyl diesels out of the range rovers, I have been eye balling them for a while.

http://www.landroverimport.com/contact.html
here is a link to a sight that got me interested in the motor but I'm sure they can be found cheaper than that.
04/28/2012, 05:20 AM
subject47

so I got an email back from http://www.landroverimport.com

a good used 300 tdi with auto trans and transfer radiator, oil cooler, and intercooler would be 4k and a rebuilt would be 6k
05/20/2012, 12:23 AM
imfraeglasgow

4bd2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_Black

The weight of the VX is the killer in an all-electric application since mass is the enemy of efficiency. My fantasy electric is a VW Vanagon: unibody construction for light-weight strength, plenty of room, phenomenal underbody space for simple full length drop-down battery trays to optimize balance and lower CG, existing transaxle for simple bolt-up motor mounting with existing electric systems (either AC with regen or DC), and best of all you can make a "safari roof" of solar panels the full length of the Vanagon to not only provide supplmenary power and off-grid charge but passive cooling just like on older Land Rovers. You could even get radical and use two motors with a Vanagon Synchro for AWD!

Hey man I just bought my first VX, thinking of doing a swap. I found this guy with a 97 4bd2 with 37,000 miles witha jatco and he was asking 4500. Has all the accessories for going in an isuzu box truck and what not. I was just curious if it will be a eligible swap. A lot of people say the 4bdt1 is the way to go but from what I've read the d2 is pretty much the same. I am also thinking a northstar swap, what transmission would you suggest if I was to go the v8 route?
Thanks
05/20/2012, 06:38 AM
taylorRichie

When I was dong research I disovered this: http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showth...4BT-Conversion

Closest I could find. I also spoke with a local builder who was wrapping up a 4BT in a Land cruiser. The biggest issue with these engines is that they are much taller than even a small block V8. But they're the perfect engine for a VX IMO. :) Good luck!
08/21/2012, 01:05 PM
badsykes

Hello
I am not owning a VX but i have a Frontera (Rodeo) sport 2.0i petrol..I love the VX but the mpg and taxes in my country are kinda big for > 3000+ engine
A 2.8L diesel engine should from fronteras should be nice ?.. My mechanic skills are very low...
Btw i am from Europe..

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