Exactly. Today when sensible courageous people chose to exercise their freedom to speak out, they are given a childish lable and are cohersed/intimidated into conforming to the status quo. Like that fiasco the Dixie Chicks went through when they voiced their opinion about the war. Another country singer went through the same thing... along with a dozen other celebrities who voiced their opinion. I'm in the middle and it looks to me it is the "conservatives" who have forgotten the most about what this country is all about: freedom. I'm sorry, but your comments gives the same impression. Poeple who speak out, liberals or not, are just as patriotic as you are. They would not have chosen to speak out if they did not love their country. Yet, it's always the "conservatives" in media who question someone else's patriotism.Quote:
Originally posted by Heraclid
It was in fact sensible, courageous people who threw off the yoke of King George.
Who? Who's been appeasing the enemies? You sound like a tape loop of Fox News. I am not a Clinton fan, yet I hear the so called "conservatives" repeating over and over that Clinton didn't do anything on terrorism. Have they not read the newspapers? Or do they just remember what they'd rather remember (anything and everything bad about the other camp)? Did they forget the missle strike Clinton ordered? Did they forget his administration's recommendation to the current one during the transition (which the current one ignored and may have had an impact on 9/11?)Quote:
ust look at today's liberals who would have us do nothing but appease our enemies when 3,000 of our countrymen are slain. They are WAY naive and spineless.
There is a world of difference between acting and acting wisely. I'm not even going to spend time on the validity of the war with Iraq. But, both Afghanistan and Iraq could've been dealt with without resorting to ineffective and costly large scale conventional war. Any special forces operator would probably say they could've done it with results.
You've got to be kidding. Look at the mess we're in?! Is the war over? is the job done? where's Bin Laden? where's the WMD? where's the immanent danger? where's Hussein? Heck, where's Waldo?? Bush's speach avoided all of the big issues. Instead he repeated the words "terror", "terrorism", and "terrorists" over two dozen times... playing on our paranoia.Quote:
They talk the talk but the conservatives tend to get the job done.
Speaking of immanent danger, I'd say we are in more danger of being attacked now than ever. Instead of stationing troops in one Arab country, we are now stationed in two (Saudi Arabia & Kuwait) and occupying a third, Iraq. If you were Al Quaeda... what would you think about that? Worldly affairs take years to cultivate. It's utterly absurd and naive to take the magic wand approach. There is no such thing! Our fathers' sins are passed onto us... and our sins are passed onto our children. If you care about your family, you should care that much more about what our leaders are doing in our name... it's not a game of sing-along. It's serious stuff!
Facing a bleak job market and seeing the nation heading well over $480 BILLION deep into the red for the year to come... I don't feel the warm fuzzies you feel. Ask the hundreds of thousands of people who have lost their livelihoods in the past two years. Talk to the kids who have seen their school programs cut and class size increased. Think about what $87 Billion can do for them. It doesn't take party lines to know that there is something not quite right here.
We, as a nation, have to learn to work together, find the middle ground to move forward. Factionalism will only make us weak and tear the country apart (don't forget the civil war and the thousands that died in it). The parties, the liberals, and the conservatives have got to tone down their rhetoric against one another because in the end, we are all Americans. Blaming everything on the Liberals isn't going to solve anything. That's called escapism and denial.
I don't either but I just can't stand it when intelligent people willingly distribute someone else's unintelligent BS without processing it first.Quote:
Dude, I bear you no ill will and don't want this to go further so I won't go into the namecalling comment like I could.
