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If the theory worked you'd see the same thing installed in new vehicles by the original mfg.
There is no similar device on ANY new car today.
In fact, the opposite is true. BMW has eliminated the throttle body entirely on their higher end cars because the turbulence of the butterfly and shaft decreased effeciency.
John C.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotsauce
Who says ? there are lots of cool products they factory
could offer and dont on every car..
abs brakes, 4 wheels disc, headers, etc....you dont see those
on all cars. myth busted, sorry.
and to answer your question,Quote:
Originally Posted by etlsport
it would use less air and fuel, making the same power.
at 70mph a vehicle only need 20-70rwhp. 70mph is
about
2000-2200rpm. thats approx 100cfm needed to run
this
speed. but since the VE (volume efficiency) is low
because of low air speed the promotion of more air
flow by volume and velocity is what makes up for
the
lack of without the device. ;)
My trusted advisor from the psychic friends network said I should get one and not listen to all this science rubish. Where do I send my payment? :rolleyes:
So let's see, this is what is known:
Supercharger: more air + more fuel = more power
Turbocharger: more air + more fuel = more power
And this is what the Helix is supposed to do:
Helix TB spacer: less air + less fuel = same power
For some reason the math doesn't work for me - in fact the TB spacer seems quite contrary to my understanding of physics and fluid dynamics. But what do I know?
-- John
Got the first unit back from the manufacturer...
should be installing it this week if I get the time.
I go thru life a little more optimistically then some
people I guess :)
looks pretty sexy to me. hey AZ i understand exactly what you are trying to do, not on the scince level though, but on trying to save fuel for all of us, and i think thats awsome, and i'm very happy and thankful you are here and you are trying to make the VX a better vehical to fit on todays expansive fuel world. So thank you, and i hope your theory works, cuz if so, i'll be one of the first to buy and if it don't, then i'll buy it just for looks, j/k. but really thanks bro, and keep up the great work.:bgwo:
thanks, really needed to hear that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoastieCosta567
Because thats exactly what Im trying to do, for all of us.
Im not just in it for the $ by any means. But since I own one
of these beast too, it helps me just as much as everyone if it
pans out.
I had to aquire an extra TB to send to the manufacturer to even
get them to make me a Demo pcs.
Ive been keeping great track of my mpg since I bought my Vx a few
months ago, and keeping it also with each mod done, letting a few
weeks pass before another mod was done.
We've been using the AC already here in the last few weeks too, so
thats affecting mpg too of course.
Either way, thanks again for the kudos (haha) and Ill keep anyone truely
interested in our results informed on this thread :)
I've got a few friends that have spacers (GM and fords), all have seen no loss or a slight increase in MPG. and one, a mustang, got a increase of 6HP average over 3 dyno runs. the others, i don't know, they didn't dyno. so if you sell them, I'm getting one.
Well, AZ, not to say you would skew the results of your numbers to sell a few of these. So, you might consider making one of these available to one of the skeptics here to run side by side test with you. I know, if it worked, I certainly would be interested in buying one from you.
Ill have some in in about a weekQuote:
Originally Posted by orion
if you buy one, and you can give us your results if you
choose. And we can compare your results to mine too
just for kicks.
Keep in mind we are already in 80+ degree weather and at
2400 feet above sea level, so our results may differ.
I'd offer mine up with a dyno run before and after, but with the Supercharger the results won't be conclusive. It needs to be a stock or near stock VX, with before and after dyno runs to show a real-world benefit (or not).
-- John
I would buy one as well if it was worth it.
how hard is the install going to be on this? i plan on taking my more or less stock VX to a track in late may for some 1/4 mile times and such, id be curious to get like 3 runs in without it and 3 runs with it to see if it would make any difference, so would i be able to install this at the track with some hand tools and a mechanical sense?
will the MAF be effected..and will that effect the computer? I live in phoenix.. so.. maybe I can be of assistance.. one thing though.. My 01 VX was built in july of 2000..think it was the last runs of them