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03/19/2003, 07:03 PM
Trying to help - by Dennis Miller

All the rhetoric on whether or not we should go to war against Iraq has got my insane little brain spinning like a roulette wheel. I enjoy reading opinions from both sides but I have detected a hint of confusion from some of you.
As I was reading the paper recently, I was reminded of the best advice someone ever gave me. He told me about the KISS method (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) so, with this as a theme, I'd like to apply this theory for those who don't quite get it. My hope is that we can simplify things a bit and recognize a few important facts.

Here are 10 things to consider when voicing an opinion on this important issue:

1) Between President Bush and Saddam Hussein ... Hussein is the bad guy.

2) If you have faith in the United Nations to do the right thing keep this in mind, they have Libya heading the committee on human rights and Iraq heading the global disarmament committee. Do your own math here.

3) If you use Google search and type in "French military victories," your reply will be "did you mean French military defeats?"

4) If your only anti-war slogan is "no war for oil," sue your school district for allowing you to slip through the cracks and robbing you of the education you deserve.

5) Saddam and Bin Laden will not seek United Nations approval before they try to kill us.

6) Despite common belief, Martin Sheen is not the President. He plays one on T.V.

7) Even if you are anti-war, you are still an "infidel!" and Bin Laden wants you dead, too.

8) If you believe in a "vast right-wing conspiracy" but not in the danger that Hussein poses, quit hanging out with the Dell computer dude.

9) We are not trying to liberate them.

10) Whether you are for military action or against it, our young men and women overseas are fighting for us to defend our right to speak out. We all need to support them without reservation.

I hope this helps.

Dennis Miller --

03/21/2003, 10:13 AM
Dennis Miller is a sharp and humorous guy.....good post Tone.

I agree SPAZZ, this anti-war protesting going on in our country and the images I see on TV are silly, stupid, redundant and pointless.
Fine, you're an American and have the right to speak your mind but to bash the very thing that gives you that right and to gather in huge groups, disturbing the peace and creating violent confrontations is not the way or message I'm sure you want to send. These people forget 9/11 and the terrorist attitude to kill. You can't just say...why can't we all just get along.

It's upsetting to see so many opposed to this war and their displays.

03/21/2003, 11:55 AM
Hey SPAZZ.....I found one and just tried what you said. Funny, I ended up knockin him to the ground. So then I said, "see.....now you stopped what you were doing and shut up. It takes a few punches and that's what the goal is overseas ya ignorant fool. Now gimme 50 bucks and scram."

03/21/2003, 07:33 PM
Then next week his psychopathic brother comes back and shoots you, your family and all your neighbors while everybody is asleep. Just because you you are stronger than him doesn't mean you are invulnerable.

There are TONS of retired military who are against this war, don't try to paint the opposition with the wide brush of the pacifist straw man.

A lot of people oppose this war because they expect it to INCREASE the danger of terrorism to the US peoples, not decrease it. They worry that this kind of action will galvanize those who are on the fence into complete distrust of the US, and those who have grudges against us into action. And we need all the friends we can get right now, standing alone just because we have the biggest stick in the world is not a viable long-term position. The problem with having the biggest stick in the world is that it means we also have the most inertia - thus quick, agile and smart opponents may easily avoid the stick. Bush has lots of techno weapons in the military and is suffering from the, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" syndrome. He needs to take a cue on foreign policy from someone like Woodrow Wilson instead of someone who quotes Al Capone as justification for our current foreign policy.

Here's a letter and a list of over one hundred retired and ex- military who feel this war is not the best way to go about defending our country:


PS - if you believe the rhetoric from the fat cats in washington about supporting our troops, you have to wonder why they are proposing cutting $25B from the VA over the next 10 years and ~$200M from the Impact Aid program, which among other things, pays for the education of the children of people in the service?


Ultimately my point here is that this war is way to complex for simple jingoistic rhetoric to even come close to dealing with the the gravity of the situation, for all involved.

03/21/2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by WyrreJ

A lot of people oppose this war because they expect it to INCREASE the danger of terrorism to the US peoples, not decrease it.

Fear of terrorism is not a valid reason to do or not do anything.

Ultimately my point here is that this war is way to complex for simple jingoistic rhetoric to even come close to dealing with the the gravity of the situation, for all involved.

Very well put.

Personnaly, I still don't have enough information to form an educated opinion. All I do know is that there are so many conflicting reports, that I don't know what to believe.

It doesn't matter much anyway whether I want us to go to war or not. The fact is we are at war, and it's not going to stop until Sadam is out of power, or more likely, until he is dead.

If our goal is to get Sadam and his sons out of power, then it might have been better to just assassinate them. It would save us the cost of rebuilding what we destroy.
Yeah, yeah. I know we don't have assassins. Whatever. ;)

I imagine that our goal is a little more than just getting Sadam out of power. We'll probably end up installing a democratic government there when we are through. Hopefully the new Iraq will become as stable as Germany or Japan did after we were done with them.

I do hope that the war goes quickly for everyone's sake, with a minimum of civilian deaths.

For those of you who haven't seen it yet, here is a bit of interesting reading straight from baghdad.

03/22/2003, 08:35 PM
When the battles are over and Saddam and his ilks are removed from power, the world will judge us by the way we treat the people of Iraq and by the stories the Iraqi people tell.

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