Reminded why I don't like Jeepers [Text View]

Marlin

03/23/2013, 04:33 PM

There is a Jeep club that meets every saturday about 3 miles from my house. I decided to stop by and say hi. They were amused by the VX, and I asked about trails. They asked if I owned a Jeep, I said no, but that I had two nice 4x4 Zus. They said, no Jeep, no wheeling with us. I said "I thought this was about 4x4 folks having a good time."
One of them piped up, "you couldn't follow us anyway, you wouldn't make it". That was it for me, for those that have met me, I can be quite the smart ***. I dramatically looked around the parking lot, went to a different row and walked back:
"I don't see anything here that can out wheel my VX."
I went on to explain that their 9" body lift means nothing offroad and that ground clearance is based on tire size, most of them were on 33s, a few on 35s. I told them that I was locked and that my little truck has wheeled all over. Short of a buggy or someone on 37s or better, I can go where they go.
I asked if they wanted to measure the clearance from the lowest point on their Jeep as compared to mine. Two of them walked away, a younger guy laughed. I was getting pissed. Such is life, I strongly dislike Jeepers even more. I pointed out that our Zu club is Jeep friendly, we give each other a hard time, but it was all about wheeling and hanging out. At that point, I left after talking to a guy with a dog for a bit.
Eff Jeepers, right in their Iphone carrying, Hollister wearing elitist *****.

Rant over, so glad I am not a Jeeper.

ND92

03/23/2013, 04:58 PM

I agree.... Jeepers suck (no offense to anyone on here that owns a jeep, cause your fam)
I had a similar experience, but a few of the jeepers went too far with their heckles and spit on my VX. Their egos grow with every bolt on accessory they buy.

VXorado

03/23/2013, 05:07 PM

Way to go. :thumbup:

Your story fires me up because I've been in very similar situations and it's very frustrating for someone to tell your VX doesn't measure up to their Jeep... especially when they base the argument solely on the "Rubicon" sticker plastered on the hood.

That being said, they're not all bad. :_beer:

VXorado

03/23/2013, 05:08 PM

Their egos grow with every bolt on accessory they buy.

It must be really tough buying everything out of a catalog. :_brickwal

vt_maverick

03/23/2013, 05:14 PM

From my observations a lot of their owners seem to simultaneously experience both herd/groupthinking behavior and feelings of inadequacy in their own rigs, which is a pretty severe conflict. I really do think most people buy Jeeps (Wranglers in particular) to reinforce their manliness but also to gain membership to a kind of special club (if you've ever visited a Jeep dealership you've probably heard their sales guys talk about it). The problem (and resultant inadequacy) is that you can drop tens of thousands of dollars into your Jeep and at the end of the day 95+% of the public won't be able to discern any significant difference between your rig and a fully stock model right off the dealer lot. And on the other end of the stick there are like a million Jeeps on the road so there's always someone who has a bigger and badder rig, which means you never can quite differentiate yourself. So I think when these guys dog VX's (or really any other 4x4) it's because they're inwardly jealous of the attention drawn by the vehicle's uniqueness. And I would even go so far as to say that many of them probably are angry at themselves that they didn't have the cohones to pick something more out of the mainstream.

Of course those are generalities and there are a lot of good owners out there I'm sure (Kate for example). What I think is telling is how many people come here after buying (or at least considering) Wranglers and concluding that they were just too bland/played out/common/yuppie for them.

EVO

03/23/2013, 05:40 PM

Sounds like you met a bunch of LEMMINGS!! LOL!

Marlin

03/23/2013, 05:48 PM

Well said ash. I used to count jeeps to and from work on the freeway, too many to count. A fully decked out jeep looks exactly like all the others. The club was a clone of jeeps, I couldn't tell one from the other. Seems sad to spend that much cash on a mediocre performing 4x4 and then act like they are better than someone else.

JoFotoz

03/23/2013, 05:52 PM

Kudos to you!

Had a very similar experience about 5 years ago here in San Diego.

Short version...

Fresh back from Moab..red mud all over the "ORW"...went to a local 4x4 meet.

JEEPS...

"Hi, I'm Jo..kinda new to 4x4'ing..thought I'd come meet you all and join in.

A spiders fart would of been too loud...silence..then..."we drive Jeeps"

Me......Buh Bye.

And yes..I peeled out..slowed..drove up to one of those concrete 30 odd inch road dividers...

...climbed it..see-sawed it for effect...

....and didnt look back.

Jo

Ldub

03/23/2013, 06:16 PM

LOL...:laughing:

I had a similar experience a few years back.
I came out of the liquor store & there was a Jeep dood & his wife checking out Suzy. All the usual questions & answers ensued, & he eventually got around to implying that his Jeep would leave my Jap crap in the ditch...:rolleyesg

I replied: "oh I'm sorry, I didn't know it was your day to have the bigger wiener"

His better half was gasping for breath cuz she was laughing so hard...he turnede a lovely shade of crimson, I put the passenger seat belt around my purchase, & went home, smiling all the way...:slap:.:rotate:.:laughing:

No group, whether it jeep or hummers or whatever is all bad, but you usually remember the stellar dook nozzles...for whatever reason...:_thinking

jeeperkate

03/23/2013, 08:15 PM

Riff Raff

03/23/2013, 08:57 PM

Kudo's to you Marlin!!!

I remember I was at a santioned off-road racing event as a spectator and everyone had their ORV's parked alongside the race course with their beer coolers and whatnot. A massive group of Jeeper's (mostly CJ's & Wrangler's) had their rigs parked along both sides of the entry/exit gate of the event. After the main event race was finally over, everybody slowly convoyed the winding dirt road back to the entry/exit gate to return to the main paved road. The large Jeeper Club that was parked along the main entry/exit gate were still partying with their beers and were basically booing, hissing, cat-calling, and laughing at anything that wasn't a Jeep as people exited the main gate with their vehicle.

That day I drove my prestine FJ-40, and as I passed the group of Jeeper's the howling immediately went silent and you could hear a pin drop. I looked out my side window at the now quiet group of Jeeper people, and they all dropped their smiles, lowered their beer cans, and tried not to make eye contact with me as I slowly passed. I smiled and gave them a slow nod in recognition as I passed through the main exit gate. Priceless memory.

:bgwb:

VxSport

03/23/2013, 09:36 PM

I also have a few....

I was in a off road contest put on by a local shop. It was a good mix of 4x4's, Chevy's, Toys, a L Rover, and I was the only zu and the rest were Jeep's. All the owners of the shop drove bolted up wranglers. I was talked bad about over the cb (over razed) and all in all, had to prove myself and my zu. At the end of the day I placed 9th in a group of 20+ rigs. At that time my zu was almost stock. There were jeep jaws in the dirt after that day. I had easier aproches and better success with less wheel spin.
I don't want a vehicle that looks like everyone else's. Have them bolt on a pair, and stop following everyone else.

FlyingV77

03/23/2013, 09:53 PM

Next time just show them you colection of "trail rated" badges that you've colected from pulling stuck jeeps out... that should shut them up

Marlin

03/24/2013, 05:26 AM

Sorry Kate, just seems there very few stories about friendly, fun loving Jeepers out there. Guess it doesn't correspond with the "Jeep thing" so I don't understand. :)
I used to keep an open mind about Jeepers, but with so many bad experiences, I will not approach another Jeep club again. Jeeps are welcome to come visit our Zu club, but I will not be crossing over to their side anytime soon.

CoastieCosta567

03/24/2013, 08:25 AM

I love it when you see a big lifted decked out bolty jeep and you see them laughing and talking and the minute you pass by their site, all chatter stops and everyone inside goes flaccid and turn into owls. Man I never seen someone turn their head 180% so far as cheapters do. Ahhh and not to mention, how many of them try to pass you and you hear there cranky tranny tearing up as they think they have a leg up until you take off some humility and let them sniff your butt as you pass them with ease. lol the joy of being a VX or Import owner. :D

Ldub

03/24/2013, 08:58 AM

WOW!! I have a jeep and I love my club of wheelers. But, we are accepting of everyone (I think a few VXers can attest)! Sorry to hear there are so many d-bags out there giving us Jeepers a bad name...

I'll go back to my earlier statement: "No group, whether it jeep or hummers, or whatever, is all bad"

To know Kate (Jeeper) & Justin (Zeus), is to love them...or at least like em' a whole bunch...:yesgray:

karrijp

03/24/2013, 10:18 AM

I am loving this thread. I wish I could meet some of you! I think we would get along great.

Ldub

03/24/2013, 10:53 AM

I wish I could meet some of you! I think we would get along great.

You CAN !!! (http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=23246&highlight=2013):smilewink

Y33TREKker

03/24/2013, 02:35 PM

...They said, no Jeep, no wheeling with us. I said "I thought this was about 4x4 folks having a good time."
This was always my answer to all the wannabe-outlaw Harley riders (the ones who'd clearly only bought the bike for the image) I use to encounter when out on my Ninja(s).

They'd clearly thought that by buying a Harley, everyone was then apparently supposed to consider them some sort of badass not to be f'd with by default.

Well I'm sorry, but you want respect as an American original, you display an attitude that deserves respect, you don't try to buy it.

Riding and wheeling first and foremost is about having a good time just like any other hobby, not about $#!++ing on others who don't buy the same hobby equipment as you.

JAMAS

03/25/2013, 06:46 AM

Apparently, being a jack-a-lope faced piece of garbage is a jeep thing...

....you wouldn't understand.

Hows that saying go....."I've got your jeep thing. Now it hurts when I pee"

tom4bren

03/25/2013, 07:31 AM

I've wheeled a VX

I've wheeled a Samurai

I've wheeled a full sized Dodge Pickup

I've never wheeled a Jeep ... but think it would be a blast to have an old CJ.

I don't think that you become AR when you buy a Jeep or that AR people feel constrained to buy a Jeep. It's just like any group of people, the more vocal/AR/cranial-deficient seem to rise to the most public view. It's human nature. I've known some really great Jeepers (all 3 of my brothers own or have owned Jeeps).

Unfortunately, the bottom line is that if you want to participate in a 4WD club in your area, you'll probably have to hang around and take the abuse of those few for a while until you find the 'click' that you want to hang with.

Think about it ... do you want to join to sit on the hood of your ride, drinking beer, and shouting insults to strangers ... or do you want to find those select few who like turning wrenches with friends (regarless of vehicle) and go play in the mud. Those two groups rarely have the same cast of characters.

My $0.02 ... & I want change!!!

JAMAS

03/25/2013, 07:59 AM

While I agree with that statement, I do know that stereotypes get created from several people having the same experience.

Like the Harley comments that were made earlier. The thing that people have seen over and over again is that Harley owners are mid life crisis men who have plenty of money and want to play tough. I have known plenty that are great guys and just like to ride for the sake of riding.

Same thing with Jeep drivers. They buy the jeep and the personality along with it. Again, I have known great and nice people that have owned or drive a jeep and are nothing like that stereotype. But when people live the mentality of "Its a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand." That's exclusion of everyone who didn't purchase a jeep.

I haven't had much experience with "jeeper creepers", but I have had experience with people being exclusionary because they purchased something that they perceived to be better than mine, making them better than me.

I think its that mentality, not the vehicle they drive that is the heart of the trouble that Marlin ran into.

---I will add that I have wanted a jeep ever since I was little and wanted to be just like MacGyver

BigSwede

03/25/2013, 08:39 AM

I used to belong to the Minnesota Trailriders. It is not a "Jeep Club" per se (although 95+% of the 40 or so rigs were Jeeps) so they don't exclude non-Jeeps (in fact they do exclude fulls-size muddin' rigs). I got a few bemused reactions from some of the guys when I joined with my Trooper, but no negative comments really, just curiosity. And after I wheeled with them a few times, all was good...that's usually all it takes.

tom4bren

03/25/2013, 08:44 AM

"Same thing with Jeep drivers. They buy the jeep and the personality along with it."

ROFL

I think we're sayin the same thing (other than mebbe %'s). I think that maybe 10% of Jeepers are douches whilst you make it sound like it's over 50%.

That said ...

Protons rule & Eb's drool!!!!

JAMAS

03/25/2013, 08:58 AM

I think we're sayin the same thing (other than mebbe %'s). I think that maybe 10% of Jeepers are douches whilst you make it sound like it's over 50%.

I'll go back and check my math.

Y33TREKker

03/25/2013, 10:50 AM

While I agree with that statement, I do know that stereotypes get created from several people having the same experience.

Like the Harley comments that were made earlier. The thing that people have seen over and over again is that Harley owners are mid life crisis men who have plenty of money and want to play tough. I have known plenty that are great guys and just like to ride for the sake of riding.
Another way to view it is that stereotypes get created by the people who display the stereotypes.

It doesn't seem like anyone here is coming right out and making an all-encompassing generalization, only that in this day and age of the over-commercialization of...well, let's be honest here...EVERYTHING...there are simply more ego-based wannabes who have tried to buy their personalities than there are individuals who made their purchase just for the fun of it.

nfpgasmask

03/25/2013, 12:18 PM

I'm only going to add here one thing, and I am sure it wasn't like this back in the day, but since I started riding (motorcycles) I am completely convinced that Harley riders are the two wheeled equivalents of Jeepers...

"Guy walks into a Harley (or Jeep) dealership. Sales guy walks up and asks, "hi there, are you a douchebag?". Guy answers, "why yes, I am a HUGE douchebag and I can't go a single day without trying to prove myself!" Sales guy says, "Great, let me show you our current inventory."

Bart

nocturnalVX

03/25/2013, 01:45 PM

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/May_2010_285.jpg

I know that most fellow VXers here are of the impression that I am not a complete a**, and I know that there are reasons for stereotypes. However... I ride (and love) my Harley, and I REALLY want a 2-door Wrangler. So, all I am going to say here is that there are good people in any group. Find the people that are not full of themselves (or their choice of vehicle), and have fun. Let the jerks hang out with each other.

Oh, and one last thing... VXers had (have) a bad rep with other Isuzu wheelers because of this same elitist attitude, so be careful about lumping all owners because of a bad experience with a select few.

nfpgasmask

03/25/2013, 01:58 PM

Come on, Gil, you know you are a douchebag....lol, jk, and of COURSE there are exceptions to the stereotypes. :)

Bart

JoFotoz

03/25/2013, 02:05 PM

And rightly so...

Oh, and one last thing... VXers had (have) a bad rep with other Isuzu wheelers because of this same elitist attitude, so be careful about lumping all owners because of a bad experience with a select few.

elitism

pride in or awareness of being one of an elite group .

:p :dan_ban::dance::dan_ban: :cool:

Jo

Y33TREKker

03/25/2013, 04:30 PM

It probably didn't help that when encountering the majority of the wanna-be-outlaw Harley riders I was basing my experience on, I was riding Japanese bikes at the time. If anything though, the reactions and comments I had to put up with usually only reinforced the apparent idea those commercialized Harley riders had that unless a person rode a Harley they were automatically un-American. (After all, fear of being considered un-American was a powerful tool being used by some in U.S. society at the time).

I also probably didn't help build any bridges at those times either when I'd start listing all of the parts on their "American made" Harley's that had actually been made in the same country as my bike that they were ridiculing at the time: their Showa suspension components, Denso electrics, Keihin carbs, etc, etc, etc.

I WAS always able to stop short of suggesting that owners of the Porsche-designed V-Rod could by their own logic then possibly be considered Nazi's though, since I always liked those bikes...and it's not like they could help who bought them. :bwgy:

Marlin

03/25/2013, 07:01 PM

I think the problem is that Jeep is selling two things:
The idea that if you have a Jeep, you can go anywhere with it (which we all know is nowhere even close to true)
And that if you don't drive a Jeep, you can't hang out with us.

It is the same way that I feel about Abercrombie/hollister, Apple and so on.

I do agree about the VX elitist thing though, I got over that real quick hanging out with the Zu group in Uwharrie. I have developed a deep respect for those that wrench their own vehicles vice taking them to a shop for every little thing. No offense to those that do, but must other Zu folks on the Planet work on their own trucks. Most Jeepers haven't done anything beyond bolting on a simple mod, but I can appreciate a built from the ground up Scrambler.
I did notice that the Cherokee guys in the group were kind of the black sheep. They weren't cool enough to get a Wrangler or Rubi, but they let them stay because at least it is a Jeep.

PS-You will never catch me on a Harley, I really want a BMW or even a KMW clone, I love that cross tour look with the fairings and hard packs. You can wear a suit and tie and still look professional, or take it cross country on a tour and it still fits:drool:

Ldub

03/25/2013, 08:41 PM

Volksnick

03/26/2013, 10:28 AM

I'd find out where the advertise their trail rides and set out a few minutes ahead of them. Just be sitting there waiting for them a little ways after the tough part, snacking on lunch. Or show up a little later and wait til they clog the trail with an axle coming unclipped and sliding out, then lay on the horn until they move so you can pass.

FWIW, the only club I'm a part of is the local VW club. As an actual club with dues and everything, we HAVE to have a list of members and non-members just because of insurance reasons. The club carries an annual insurance policy just incase something happens (wreck, fatality...etc) on a club event. This way, the person organizing the cruise/campout/whatever won't be held liable and the club's insurance steps in. With that said, our requirements are that you only have to have an interest in VWs; not own one and dues are cheap enough that its an "are you in or not" type of thing. A lot of the jeep clubs require that you own one to be a member. Dumb.

Buffy

03/26/2013, 12:44 PM

Sadly there are bad seeds in every crowd, tho the Zoo crowd has always been a welcoming bunch. Most of my experiences with sport bike riders have been bad. Always left with the opinion they owned the road and had zero regard for speed limits. First bike I road was a Harley, road my Uncle's 68 police cruiser I was the man in the neighborhood that day. I own two Harleys today because that is what I like. Plus I look like a monkey f'ing a football ridining a crotch rocket. Let that to be the last image you see when you go to sleep to night....

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/834049/fullsize/100_0914.jpg

Own a CJ8.... OK work in progress...

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/843978/fullsize/100_1148.jpg

I've always said to drive/ride what you want and enjoy it to what ever degree you want. I am sure people have had bad experiences with Zoo owners. I just dont want to be the guy that makes people say all Zoo owners are jerks. Wanna wheel with me in a Sami, a Yota, a whatever ... fine by me.... bring a sammich and lets roll....

Just my 2 cents.....

Marlin

03/26/2013, 03:49 PM

Swede, when I saw your RS in person, I never thought twice about it, it was just another old Trooper to me at the time. I was definitely VX snooty. Now that I know a helluva lot more aout Zus, your RS is awesome!!! (Even if I have one that looks just like it ;) )

Jay Dunford

03/26/2013, 04:59 PM

on with the Jeep bashing!

Man no love for us evil jeepers!!

I know you guys let me tag along out of the goodness of your hearts . . .

and for the occasional strap over the really hard stuff:smilewink

jeeperkate

03/26/2013, 05:32 PM

Man no love for us evil jeepers!!

I'm feeling very torn by this thread...I love my Jeep and I love my VX... do I have to choose? :confused:

Marlin

03/26/2013, 07:06 PM

Nope, I don't have a problem with Jeeps except they are boring, its the Jeep Thing I have a problem with. A club for some specific activity that is not welcoming to others who do the same activity, especially one as exclusive and requiring as much hard work and dedication as offroading, is just nuts! Not to mention poor networking, with a plasma cutter and welder, I would have been a great asset to all those guys with their JC Whitney wranglers.

tom4bren

03/27/2013, 04:53 AM

I'm feeling very torn by this thread...I love my Jeep and I love my VX... do I have to choose? :confused:

Yup! Hand over your VX keys right now!

Just kidding ... but you do need to change your forum handle (it's just a slap in the face everytime that you post sump'n) ... still kidding.

If your love for your Jeep & your love for your VX develops into a bipolar disorder though, I'm sure that I could convince Boy to take over the payments on your VX.

Cobrajet

03/27/2013, 08:58 AM

I got nothing against Jeep owners! My ex-wife drives a Jeep!

Oh, wait, I take back what I just said. Please continue... :)

ZeroSix

03/28/2013, 01:58 AM

I live in Humboldt Park , for some reason the community here loves their Jeep. I found it its a big thing in Puerto Rico. They hold their saturday meets during warmer weather across the street, and every summer day you add the harleys and the Import bikers roaring down the street. (my neighbor is the community cultural center).

All i ever get is people asking me about the VX and offering to buy it on the spot.

Not because It has the Jeep bolt ons that look like Lara crofts joyride, but just because they do not understand the truck, hence the exclusivity value of it.

I dont even want to trail the truck (chicago is fairly flat), i want an urban warrior. And i really respect a lot of folks here who do not garage queen their rigs.

FWIW, I like the idea of Jeeps, but believe it to be a bit inflated due to the marketing. I seen the cherokees and liberty folks get more crap because they bought a "prissy" jeep. Even knowing they have the same abilities.

tom4bren

03/28/2013, 05:05 AM

I seen the cherokees and liberty folks get more crap because they bought a "prissy" jeep. Even knowing they have the same abilities.

Ruh Roh!!!

Bro has a Cherokee & a Commander. Should we kick him outta the fambly now???:)

jeeperkate

03/28/2013, 08:12 AM

Yup! Hand over your VX keys right now!

Just kidding ... but you do need to change your forum handle (it's just a slap in the face everytime that you post sump'n) ... still kidding.

If your love for your Jeep & your love for your VX develops into a bipolar disorder though, I'm sure that I could convince Boy to take over the payments on your VX.

:laughb: Good one! Cracked me up!! :yesgray:

I do have to say that spring is coming in Duluth, MN and I can not WAIT to see Betty (my VX) again!! I hope to see it in time to take it to Fargo for a little weddin' :bgwb: :p

PS - I own my VX free and clear :p

JAMAS

03/28/2013, 11:20 AM

PS - I own my VX free and clear :p

Congrats! I know thats a great feeling.

ibmx2

03/28/2013, 12:52 PM

nocturnalVX

03/28/2013, 02:28 PM

I know that most fellow VXers here are of the impression that I am not a complete a**...

Come on, Gil, you know you are a douchebag....lol, jk, and of COURSE there are exceptions to the stereotypes. :)

Bart

That proves what I always thought you are a D-BAG !!!!!!:yesgray:

See... That's the trouble with meeting fellow VXers out in the real world. Your stellar image in cyberspace gets blown away... :_brickwal

Ldub

03/28/2013, 06:42 PM

See... That's the trouble with meeting fellow VXers out in the real world. Your stellar image in cyberspace gets blown away... :_brickwal

Nuh-uhh...:nogray:

I liked you a LOT better after I met you the first time...:yesgray:...:heart:...:yes:

Georgef

04/03/2013, 02:01 PM

This was always my answer to all the wannabe-outlaw Harley riders (the ones who'd clearly only bought the bike for the image) I use to encounter when out on my Ninja(s).

They'd clearly thought that by buying a Harley, everyone was then apparently supposed to consider them some sort of badass not to be f'd with by default.

Well I'm sorry, but you want respect as an American original, you display an attitude that deserves respect, you don't try to buy it.

Riding and wheeling first and foremost is about having a good time just like any other hobby, not about $#!++ing on others who don't buy the same hobby equipment as you.

I can't count the cookie cutter tuff dudes and dudettes I pass. Mine's the naked one.http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/geofen8036/IMG_0048-1.jpg

MSHardeman

04/03/2013, 03:03 PM

I ride this monster
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/Rayne_10-17-09_11.JPG
and I wave to EVERYONE. People on metric bikes, people on american bikes, people on scooters....heck, I'll even wave to bicyclists sometimes. I figure if you're out on two wheels then good on ya.

I have found, though, that many Harley owners don't wave back. Maybe they think they're too good for me, or maybe they bought the bike to prove something and they really aren't riders so they are terrified to let go of the handle bars long enough to give a quick wave back.:_confused

Y33TREKker

04/03/2013, 03:04 PM

I can't count the cookie cutter tuff dudes and dudettes I pass. Mine's the naked one.
I was outside on break with a co-worker once at a place I used to work, and we were looking at the the bikes in the motorcycle parking area. The guy was a Harley fan, and had pointed out a Ducati 916 saying,

"Who the hell is the guy that can afford the Ducati? If he can afford that thing, he can surely afford a Harley. Does he think he's too good for a Harley or something?"

I said something along the lines of, "Unless I'm mistaken, most of the Harleys parked out there probably cost about twice as much as that Ducati, so why did those guys buy a Harley instead?"

I realize that Harleys for the most part retain a lot of their resale value, but I have to wonder how much that factor plays into it for some when considering what bike to purchase when they have no idea how much some other brands even cost.

Two nice rides in the photo though. I saw a lot of Ducs a few years back when I took a side trip to visit The Dragon at Deal's Gap on a drive back from Florida.

RickOKC

04/03/2013, 07:58 PM

Man no love for us evil jeepers!!

I know you guys let me tag along out of the goodness of your hearts . . .

and for the occasional strap over the really hard stuff:smilewink
Gotta give a big shout out to Jay. I've only met him twice, but out of the blue, this guy just offered to follow me over to my preferred shop and give me a ride home. That's a 200 mile trip / 3 hours drive time. :freek:

They ain't all bad! :laughing: