Earthquake

[yellowgizmo99]

just went thru first one that I know of here, a 5.8, thought I had been working too hard and needed to sit down. haha.

[Scott Harness]

Didn't Colorado have one today also!

[yellowgizmo99]

it was northwest of Richmond. Ashley what did you feel?

[vt_maverick]

Felt it pretty strongly here too Billy, you guys are probably 50 miles or so closer than we are and it was pretty strong here.

Funny thing is my dog is terrified of storms but apparently not worried at all about earthquakes - she's tied out in the back yard and didn't even get up! :eek:

[tom4bren]

Felt it real strong here at Fort Belvoir. Bren said that stuff got knocked off the shelves at home (Fredericksburg is about 20 miles from the epicenter).

[Ebenezr]

I have a friend in Michigan who said he saw his car rocking and wondered what the heck was happening.

[Ebenezr]

First an earthquake now get ready for Irene....... :)

[RickOKC]

Funny thing is my dog is terrified of storms but apparently not worried at all about earthquakes - she's tied out in the back yard and didn't even get up! :eek:Your dog is used to riding in a VX. Earthquake... no big deal! :laughing:

[MSHardeman]

We did get an earthquake here in Colorado too (2012 is approaching fast). I didn't feel it way over here in the Aspen valley, but maybe some of the Front Range people in the Denver area did. I think it was a 5.2 or a 5.8, can't remember which. The news did say that it was VERY rare for us to get earthquakes.

[fuzzy]

Strong shaking here in Norfolk and cell phone lines jammed.

[Gussie2000]

Earthquake was also felt here in the once upon a time great apple,but mostly in manhattan.

[Y33TREKker]

There's a lot of underground mining in this area, so I never know if the shaking I feel is an earthquake or local blasting. As a matter of fact, I felt some more shaking not five minutes ago, but I'm thinking it was just mining operations because the last shaking that I felt that I know was an earthquake lasted about a full minute and a half.

[Ldub]

First an earthquake now get ready for Irene....... :)


(2012 is approaching fast)

Next up...Z O M B I E S

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Hope no harm came to any of my East Coast/Mountain Area VX Fam...:yes:

[H3_VX]

Felt the shakes all the way up here in NH. Was at work sitting at my desk and the walls started to shake a bit. First time ever experiencing shakes from a quake.

Isn't the world supposed to end in 2012 because of a series of natural disasters?

[Ebenezr]

Next up...Z O M B I E S

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Hope no harm came to any of my East Coast/Mountain Area VX Fam...:yes:

That's gross....just plain gross..........

[arcobarco]

Its OK, just blow there heads off:happyface

[BigSwede]

Didn't feel a durn thing here...

[crager34]

Looks like the Washington Monument is leaning a bit.

[FlyingV77]

Just wondering if they are fracking for natural gas there. There doing it here in DFW and its causing quakes and water to catch on fire. And they claim its safe

[hyperkid]

I was driving down 270 when it happened and didn't even know it happened until I heard the news.

[Ebenezr]

Looks like the Washington Monument is leaning a bit.

The quake was caused by George Washington rolling over in HIS GRAVE!!!!

[tom4bren]

I heard that there were cracks in Washington monument but they didn't report that it's leaning at all. NEWS said that it's closed indefinitely.

It took me 2 hours to get home last night ... but it took me 2 1/2 hours to get to work this morning - go figure.

It was interesting though, when the quake hit, I was on a telecon with folks from all over the country. About 10 minutes after the shaking subsided, the folks up in NJ reported that they were feeling it then. Rekin it makes sense though. NEWS reported that the quake happened at 1351 in Mineral, VA but Washington DC reported it at 1354.

[circmand]

Just wondering if they are fracking for natural gas there. There doing it here in DFW and its causing quakes and water to catch on fire. And they claim its safe

Earthquakes are caused by pressure in the Earth's tutonic plates building up slowly over time and being released all at once. These plates are the size of states (which is why tremors are felt so far away). But apparently you have discovered how spraying underground with a high pressure hose will move billions of tones of land to move. If anything the spraying of areas where presuure is building up would lessen pressure and the resulting earthquake.

Next up how wanting to pay lower taxes causes cancer.

As for water catching on fire I have seen no stories of that happening anywhere. Perhaps you can provide some facts.

[Cobrajet]

It was interesting though, when the quake hit, I was on a telecon with folks from all over the country. About 10 minutes after the shaking subsided, the folks up in NJ reported that they were feeling it then. Rekin it makes sense though. NEWS reported that the quake happened at 1351 in Mineral, VA but Washington DC reported it at 1354.
I was at my desk at home when it hit. I actually wrote down the time and date (1:51 PM) because my memory ain't what it used to be. Only 60 miles from the epicenter, so there was no delay here. No damage to my house. Only signs of rattling were my reel-to-reel tapes tipped over on the shelf, and the cat hiding under the bed (smart cat!)

[WormGod]

I took the day off and was sitting on the couch playing a game. The house got a little wobbly for about 5 secs and I thought a big wind gust had hit cause the house made a slight creaking too. Looked up out the back door window and the trees were still. My g/f is from El Salvador and said they always had quakes there so I txt'd her and said "Was that a quake"? Her response was "YES!", so I picked my controller up and went back to playing my game. *shrug*

Only damage I have heard of was the Washington Monument being cracked in some places and some older brick buildings have partial collapses. Other than that, people just went on about their normal lives.... including the billions of gov't employees here getting out early due to an "event of enormous proportion". There's your budget problem right there. *rolls eyes*

[vt_maverick]

The house got a little wobbly for about 5 secs and I thought a big wind gust had hit cause the house made a slight creaking too. Looked up out the back door window and the trees were still.

That's exactly what I thought and did too. But then we walked out the front door and the neighbors yelled "What the **** was that?" :)

[VXR]

As for water catching on fire I have seen no stories of that happening anywhere

watch gasland...

[Y33TREKker]

watch gasland...
Yeah, I've heard of that happening in a few places where fracking is taking place too.

I mean seriously, if the process was as absolutely safe as some tend to imply, you'd think that the name they'd have come up with would have been better than fracking. ;)

That's the way it goes though. Some considerations and legitimate concerns tend to get swept under the carpet when people start seeing all those fracking dollar signs dancing before their eyes.

OK I promise, that's the last time I'm saying fracking..........wait.............OK, starting now..............

[circmand]

watch gasland...

Found it and found this. as a resident of PA and having worked in newspapers for 20+ YEARS I heard quite a lot about the attempt of some land owners to reap huge sums in unprovable lawsuits. A little research goes a long way. Still havent seen how they create earthquakes though

Weld County

In a scene from the film Weld County landowner Mike Markham is shown with director Josh Fox igniting gas from a tap water faucet in his home with a cigarette lighter, which the film attributes to natural gas exploration in the area. In 2008 The Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation Commission (COGCC) investigated a complaint made by Markham alleging that nearby natural gas operations impacted his domestic water well.[10] Laboratory tests concluded that Markham’s water well contained biogenic methane, a combustible gas that occurs naturally in underground coal beds.[10] Further investigation revealed that Markham’s water well had been drilled through four different coal beds containing naturally occurring biogenic methane gas. The 2008 investigation concluded that "there [were] no indications of oil & gas related impacts to [Markham's] water well." It was also concluded that the water well of Weld County landowner Renee McClure, also featured in the film, contained naturally occurring biogenic methane not related to oil and gas activity in the area


I thought by now people would no better than to trust an internet site with no profesional affiliation. The enviromentalists are experts aat creating faux science and are better than the Nazis were at spreading propaganda as science.

[Ldub]

watch gasland...


Yeah, I've heard of that happening in a few places where fracking is taking place too.

I mean seriously, if the process was as absolutely safe as some tend to imply, you'd think that the name they'd have come up with would have been better than fracking. ;)

That's the way it goes though. Some considerations and legitimate concerns tend to get swept under the carpet when people start seeing all those fracking dollar signs dancing before their eyes.

OK I promise, that's the last time I'm saying fracking..........wait.............OK, starting now..............


Found it and found this. as a resident of PA and having worked in newspapers for 20+ YEARS I heard quite a lot about the attempt of some land owners to reap huge sums in unprovable lawsuits. A little research goes a long way. Still havent seen how they create earthquakes though

Weld County

In a scene from the film Weld County landowner Mike Markham is shown with director Josh Fox igniting gas from a tap water faucet in his home with a cigarette lighter, which the film attributes to natural gas exploration in the area. In 2008 The Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation Commission (COGCC) investigated a complaint made by Markham alleging that nearby natural gas operations impacted his domestic water well.[10] Laboratory tests concluded that Markham’s water well contained biogenic methane, a combustible gas that occurs naturally in underground coal beds.[10] Further investigation revealed that Markham’s water well had been drilled through four different coal beds containing naturally occurring biogenic methane gas. The 2008 investigation concluded that "there [were] no indications of oil & gas related impacts to [Markham's] water well." It was also concluded that the water well of Weld County landowner Renee McClure, also featured in the film, contained naturally occurring biogenic methane not related to oil and gas activity in the area


I thought by now people would no better than to trust an internet site with no profesional affiliation. The enviromentalists are experts aat creating faux science and are better than the Nazis were at spreading propaganda as science.

Uh Oooooo...

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[Y33TREKker]

Uh Oooooo...

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Jerry "LDub" Springer to the rescue. :p

[Ldub]

Jerry "LDub" Springer to the rescue. :p

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[workmeistr]

I felt it pretty good in a 50 year old building at Norfolk NAS (yes, I'm here again, Ash). I might need to come visit you, Ashley, to escape the hurricane. Thanks, VA...

[VXR]

In a scene from the film Weld County landowner Mike Markham is shown with director Josh Fox igniting gas from a tap water faucet in his home with a cigarette lighter, which the film attributes to natural gas exploration in the area


are you referring to THIS (http://video.nytimes.com/video/2010/06/21/arts/television/1247468091675/excerpt-gasland.html)

[FlyingV77]

So your going to take the word of the "scientists" that are on the payrole of the oil/gas companys, when they say that the oil/gas co didn't do it. As for the earthquakes in DFW, we sit on a major stress fault in the middle of the plate, that has been inactive for as long as people have live here. We've only had them sence they started fracking in this area. How fracking affects it is this.. high presser going in. Changes the balance, then the pressure is reliced up setting it further causing the ground to settle and "quake". Same prenciple as when a house foundation settles and cracks. Now go do your own reserch, I don't get paid to educate people.

[circmand]

I mean seriously, if the process was as absolutely safe as some tend to imply, you'd think that the name they'd have come up with would have been better than fracking. ;)

...........

The name means it's dangerous. The name comes from the process. The gas is in small pockets of shale/rock. The drillers using high pressure water fractures the rock freeing the gas which is then captured and processed. It is the same process used in other mining all over the world. Do you really think there is a process where people sit around and say this is dangerous we need to pick a name from the dangerous process list. And hell if it were a real conspiracy wouldn't they instead pick a name like flower puppying so as to fool all the brilliant ecoidiots who base their beliefs on the name of the process instead of science?

[circmand]

So your going to take the word of the "scientists" that are on the payrole of the oil/gas companys, when they say that the oil/gas co didn't do it. As for the earthquakes in DFW, we sit on a major stress fault in the middle of the plate, that has been inactive for as long as people have live here. We've only had them sence they started fracking in this area. How fracking affects it is this.. high presser going in. Changes the balance, then the pressure is reliced up setting it further causing the ground to settle and "quake". Same prenciple as when a house foundation settles and cracks. Now go do your own reserch, I don't get paid to educate people.

There were earthquakes along that major fauly in 2008 and 2009 before fracking even started there. There is some research that the quakes during the process was caused by salt water disposal wells drilled in the area but the studies have determined that it had nothing to do with fracking. The very name MAJOR STRESS FAULT tells you quakes are just a matter of time. It's a good thing you are not the one educating us as the words are pressure not presser, released not reliced, principal npt prenciple and research not reserch. Perhaps these misspellings are the reason the sites you go to for information are full of quack science as real scientists probably can spell the words correctly.

[Y33TREKker]

The name means it's dangerous. The name comes from the process. The gas is in small pockets of shale/rock. The drillers using high pressure water fractures the rock freeing the gas which is then captured and processed. It is the same process used in other mining all over the world. Do you really think there is a process where people sit around and say this is dangerous we need to pick a name from the dangerous process list. And hell if it were a real conspiracy wouldn't they instead pick a name like flower puppying so as to fool all the brilliant ecoidiots who base their beliefs on the name of the process instead of science?
Are you serious? Have you never seen an episode of Battlestar Gallactica....or looked up the definition of the word "joke" in the dictionary? :p

And why was that the only part of my post that you responded to? Did the part about the dollar signs making people look the other way make too much sense? Those lawyers you referenced sound like the ones Erin Brockovich faced in the movie made about her.

[Osteomata]

That strikes me as a rather bad strawman. The COGCC is pretty independent, and has pissed off the oil and gas industry with some rule rewrites since their reorg a few years back. Their report on this subject is comprehensive, and is consistant with many other studies regarding the threat of ground water intrusion by fracking. Put up against your evidence, which consists of a carefully selected scene from a film, then yes I will go with those evil scientists. You do yourself no favors by adding in the the earthquake theory, the silliness of which allows people to dismiss what might be legit concerns in the rest of your argument. I think it is possible that evidence may come up that reveals some danger from fracking, but right not it is not solid at all, and natural gas is certainly preferable to coal, particuarly mountain top removal coal mining, in terms of ecological impact.

Having said that, circmand's reference to the evil "ecoidiot" fabulists and their propoganda is rather onesided, its not like the most powerful industries in the world, of which oil and gas is surely one of them, don't produce enormous amounts of clearly self serving BS PR, and in my book far more of it.


So your going to take the word of the "scientists" that are on the payrole of the oil/gas companys, when they say that the oil/gas co didn't do it. As for the earthquakes in DFW, we sit on a major stress fault in the middle of the plate, that has been inactive for as long as people have live here. We've only had them sence they started fracking in this area. How fracking affects it is this.. high presser going in. Changes the balance, then the pressure is reliced up setting it further causing the ground to settle and "quake". Same prenciple as when a house foundation settles and cracks. Now go do your own reserch, I don't get paid to educate people.

[Y33TREKker]

watch gasland...



Weld County

In a scene from the film Weld County landowner Mike Markham is shown with director Josh Fox igniting gas from a tap water faucet in his home with a cigarette lighter, which the film attributes to natural gas exploration in the area. In 2008 The Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation Commission (COGCC) investigated a complaint made by Markham alleging that nearby natural gas operations impacted his domestic water well.[10] Laboratory tests concluded that Markham’s water well contained biogenic methane, a combustible gas that occurs naturally in underground coal beds.[10] Further investigation revealed that Markham’s water well had been drilled through four different coal beds containing naturally occurring biogenic methane gas. The 2008 investigation concluded that "there [were] no indications of oil & gas related impacts to [Markham's] water well." It was also concluded that the water well of Weld County landowner Renee McClure, also featured in the film, contained naturally occurring biogenic methane not related to oil and gas activity in the area...
I haven't seen Gasland, so I'm curious about a piece of information that wasn't included in that paragraph.

Was the question ever posed to either of the landowners mentioned of whether they'd been able to light their well water on fire before the oil and gas activity started in the area?

[JAMAS]

If you need me, I'll be flower puppying

[VXR]

I haven't seen Gasland, so I'm curious about a piece of information that wasn't included in that paragraph.

Was the question ever posed to either of the landowners mentioned of whether they'd been able to light their well water on fire before the oil and gas activity started in the area?

good question:yesb:

I watched it a while ago so perhaps circ can tell us when he watches it or finds something else to copy and paste from wikipedia:laughb:

[RickOKC]

If you need me, I'll be flower puppyingHey, at least you aren't puppy de-flowering. That's still illegal in some areas where fracking is common.

Sorry, as another Battlestar Galactica fan, I can't read comments about "fracking" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7KcpgQKo2I) without cracking up! So sue me... I'm the world's oldest 10-year-old. :laughing:

[circmand]

Are you serious? Have you never seen an episode of Battlestar Gallactica....or looked up the definition of the word "joke" in the dictionary? :p

And why was that the only part of my post that you responded to? Did the part about the dollar signs making people look the other way make too much sense? Those lawyers you referenced sound like the ones Erin Brockovich faced in the movie made about her.

I am still waiting from my original post about causing earthquakes from you. I would have written more but there comes a point that your arguements get to ignorant and filled with misspellings that to even respond gives them more integrity then they deserve.

As for paid scientists who do you think is paying for the ones who put forth the arguements that agree with the enviromentalists? Then you have Al Gore a tobacco farmer who was pro tobacco before he was against who seems to be the main scientist for man made global warming despite the fact he has no scientific training. Add to that all the destroyed data that the pro man made global warming scientists claim they had that proved their case.

[Osteomata]

It was only a matter of time before circmand strayed into denialism, conspiracy mongering, and gross mistatements of scientific consensus about anthropogenic global warming.

[Y33TREKker]

I am still waiting from my original post about causing earthquakes from you. I would have written more but there comes a point that your arguements get to ignorant and filled with misspellings that to even respond gives them more integrity then they deserve.

As for paid scientists who do you think is paying for the ones who put forth the arguements that agree with the enviromentalists? Then you have Al Gore a tobacco farmer who was pro tobacco before he was against who seems to be the main scientist for man made global warming despite the fact he has no scientific training. Add to that all the destroyed data that the pro man made global warming scientists claim they had that proved their case.
You may want to review that part of this thread to make sure you're directing your questions to the right person.

Oh, and for further reference, there's no "e" in the middle of "arguments", and a couple of words later, in that case it would be "too", with two o's. :p

[VXR]

It was only a matter of time before circmand strayed into denialism

LOL hey circ you feelin ok?

[FlyingV77]

I'm the one that likes two mispell stuf, and use impoper grammur!

[circmand]

It was only a matter of time before circmand strayed into denialism, conspiracy mongering, and gross mistatements of scientific consensus about anthropogenic global warming.


"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"

[tom4bren]

"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"

ROFL

Reminds me of one of my 'not so bright' moments:

I once told our Director (about 8 levels of management above me) that physics has nothing to do with reality. Yup, you guessed it - he has a Doctorate in physics.

[vt_maverick]

ROFL

Reminds me of one of my 'not so bright' moments:

I once told our Director (about 8 levels of management above me) that physics has nothing to do with reality. Yup, you guessed it - he has a Doctorate in physics.

Apparently that's a shared view... when I was at Tech all engineering and computer science students were required to take two semesters of physics. The physics department, whose average graduating class size was (no kidding) 8-10 kids per year, apparently enjoyed giving exams that frustrated their more practically-minded out-of-major students (who composed 95% of their classes). I remember a friend in the aerospace engineering department told me he made an 8 on an exam and still passed after the curve.

Well apparently the engineering department decided it had enough, and although no one knows for sure what happened, one day the college of arts and sciences announced that the physics major was being "withdrawn" for 1-2 years while the department "reorganized." Message sent. ;)

[VXR]

"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"

That is what you (and the refs) did in SB XL:yesb:

[circmand]

That is what you (and the refs) did in SB XL:yesb:

Simply played really poor football

[fuzzy]

Apparently that's a shared view... when I was at Tech all engineering and computer science students were required to take two semesters of physics. The physics department, whose average graduating class size was (no kidding) 8-10 kids per year, apparently enjoyed giving exams that frustrated their more practically-minded out-of-major students (who composed 95% of their classes). I remember a friend in the aerospace engineering department told me he made an 8 on an exam and still passed after the curve.


As an aerospace engineering major from Georgia Tech, I can confirm the exact same thing at Ga Tech. ;) Here's to partial credit and curves (and making sure the curve "anchor" never withdraws from your class)! :thumbup:

[VXR]

Simply played really poor football

you are correct pit did play some bad football that day:yesb:

The Seahawks had six more first downs (20-14) and more total yards (396 to 339) than the Steelers did. Seattle won the time of possession battle by controlling the clock for more than 33 minutes. They also had one less turnover.

Worthlessbergers passer rating of 22.6 was the lowest in Super Bowl history:yesb:

[circmand]

you are correct pit did play some bad football that day:yesb:

The Seahawks had six more first downs (20-14) and more total yards (396 to 339) than the Steelers did. Seattle won the time of possession battle by controlling the clock for more than 33 minutes. They also had one less turnover.

Worthlessbergers passer rating of 22.6 was the lowest in Super Bowl history:yesb:

The Steelers scored more points. And isn't that how winners are decided? In baseball if one team has 9 hits all singles one per inning no runs scored, and another team has one hit a home run who wins. The air in Seattle must be to thin to actually understand the concept.

[VXR]

The Steelers scored more points. And isn't that how winners are decided? In baseball if one team has 9 hits all singles one per inning no runs scored, and another team has one hit a home run who wins. The air in Seattle must be to thin to actually understand the concept.

the refs can make game changing bad calls:yesb:

I guess there is something in pit water that causes one to live in a constant state of denial:yesb:

[circmand]

the refs can make game changing bad calls:yesb:

I guess there is something in pit water that causes one to live in a constant state of denial:yesb:

My guess its all that eating pine cones and tree bark and protesting outside in the winter that makes Seaduck fans beleive with their hearts not their eyes. Frankly I think you should just accept what those who have been there before tell you since you evidently can't process facts very well on your own

[VXR]

Frankly I think you should just accept what those who have been there before tell you since you evidently can't process facts very well on your own

sensing imminent defeat circ maintained his position:

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[circmand]

sensing imminent defeat circ maintained his position:

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maybe you missed something

[frankd14321]

Gotta live in CA, a 5.8 is nothing haha.. Should try a 7+ it's better than Six Flags! HHAHAHA

[VXR]

maybe you missed something

What this?

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/pit.jpg