On Board Air Options??

[crotchrocket]

As my rear seats are now removed and i've had two occasions where i have un beaded a tyre and needed a tyre guy to take my tyre off and re-seat it i am going to build a decent rear boot build. i.e tools, compressor subs etc. Means i can also let the tyres down in muddy conditions etc

My options are;

a simple single cyliner pump. Will be enough (just) to inflate the 33" tyre
http://www.mm-4x4.com/t-max-heavy-duty-portable-air-compressor-2929-p.asp

a twin cylinder pump, faster and tougher
http://www.firstfour.co.uk/compressors/twin-cylinder-heavy-duty-air-compressor-1592276--564062.php


The other idea is to have a 2 - 3 gallon tank hooked up to a pump. however im not sure if that will work on the pumps above? i.e the tank is pressurised and the pump only kicks in when the air pressure in the tank drops to a pre-determined pressure?
http://www.dsengineering.co.uk/showproduct-s.php?pid=57


this means instant and powerfull air for re-seating an un beaded tyre as you need it to POP back onto the rim.

The other advantage of this is i can hook one of these bad boys up to it and get back at the people that cut me up daily in London :D

http://www.hornblasters.com/products/category.php?c=train-horns-and-air-horns

http://www.hornblasters.com/video.php?pic=35


The options are anoyingly small for this set up if the pumps above don't work with an air tank as i cant find a 12v compressor linked to a tank in the UK.

Could get this
http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=109461&Referrer=ShoppingCom

with a 1000 watt power invertor? May be handy to have 240v in the boot at some point anyway?

Other option is this, a proper set up but bloody expensive

http://www.devon4x4.com/products_a/k9c/2.5-gallon-on-board-air-system.html

What do you recon?

[alterastro]

I've got the twin cylinder compressor and it's very fast. Pumps my 33" tyre up in little over a minute. I use it in conjunction with the ARB Deflator: http://www.devon4x4.com/products_b/p283c97/arb-ez-tyre-deflator.html

The tanks would be nice, but considering how often you'd use it I recon you could make better use of the space.

Ideally go for this: http://www.devon4x4.com/products_b/p1020c185/warn-powerplant-winch-12000.html :smilewink

As for de-deading, I would strongly suggest you buy some beadlockers :smilewink or failing that get some Staun internal bead lockers: http://www.devon4x4.com/products_b/p406c121/staun-internal-beadlock-16-inch-7/9.html

Nick

[VX1032]

I say tank if you don't mind using the space in the back. The reason being is you can go with a non-100% duty cycle compressor and use it to build up the tank, which will allow you to get better use out of air tools when you are out and about. Small 3-5 gallon tank would probably be good.

[crotchrocket]

I've got the twin cylinder compressor and it's very fast. Pumps my 33" tyre up in little over a minute. I use it in conjunction with the ARB Deflator: http://www.devon4x4.com/products_b/p283c97/arb-ez-tyre-deflator.html

The tanks would be nice, but considering how often you'd use it I recon you could make better use of the space.

Ideally go for this: http://www.devon4x4.com/products_b/p1020c185/warn-powerplant-winch-12000.html :smilewink

As for de-deading, I would strongly suggest you buy some beadlockers :smilewink or failing that get some Staun internal bead lockers: http://www.devon4x4.com/products_b/p406c121/staun-internal-beadlock-16-inch-7/9.html

Nick



what about the train horn though :D

[crotchrocket]

looks like i've got even longer to consider this, just got car tax and a new passport...... 280 quid!! :mad:

[alterastro]

what about the train horn though :D

http://www.airhorns.co.uk/product.asp?lot=21&pnid=228&deptid=290

118dB is more than enough and a fraction of the price of the other ones :smilewink

...and if you want to get through the London traffic, get some of these: http://www.airhorns.co.uk/product.asp?lot=21&pnid=559&deptid=283 :yesy:



Nick

[etlsport]

that train horn should just barely fit behind the front bumper... the one shown here is about 45cm
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/medium/air_horn_008.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9825)
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/medium/air_horn_011.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9826)

[Ldub]

Here is another option if you're a diver, or know one who can get your tank refilled.

A fifty cu. ft. aluminium scuba bottle.
A bit dangerous for leaving in the boot in the event of a catastrophic rear end collision, but works good for filling tyres & powering air tools...:_wrench:

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/DSC01744.JPG

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/DSC01740.JPG

I've incorporated tool storage bins on the sides, & a sub/amp into the design.

Also, check Kenny's gallery, he has a slick CO2 tank that's another good option.:thumbup:

[crotchrocket]

LDUB..............as always thats awesome.....all hail the king!!!!!!

[crotchrocket]

you've given me some ideas now too !!!

[MSHardeman]

CR, some others have installed an air tank in their rear door (JollyRogerVXer comes to mind) since they aren't using the space to store the standard spare tire any more.

Jay Dunford (former VX owner and current FJ owner) has a nice compressor set up on his FJ so maybe he'll chime in here. I "borrowed" some air from him during Moab and his set up filled my tires faster than any gas station compressor ever has. I'm trying to find room in the VX somewhere to do something similar.

[Ldub]

Here's a discussion on this very topic...

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=11224&highlight=CO2

Search CO2 for more...much more...:smilewink

[nfpgasmask]

Yup, here is my solution.

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/mods/tailgate.jpg

Bart

[tomdietrying]

Who's the cat in Moab this year that had the air compresser that clipped up to the battery? It was small, portable, and worked great. Whoever that was please chime in and tell me the make/model of it.
Peace.
Tom

[Triathlete]

I was one of those people. I have THIS ONE (http://www.4wheelparts.com/prodDetail.aspx?partNo=S/BMV50&jeep-parts=true)
http://www.4wheelparts.com/aux_incl/images.ashx?i=MV50.jpg&partNo=S%2fB&jeep-parts=true&w=200&h=200
These will not re-bead a tire though. About the only thing that will do that is a Co2 tank. To re-bead a tire it takes a stong fast burst of air. But for airing up tires after the trail the above compressor is great. I was fortunate enough to get mine for $25 when the company that makes them first put them out on the market. The jeepers got wind of them and the positive reviews and they sold out FAST at that price. Even at the current price it is still a great value. They have been compaired to the much more expensive Viars.

[JoFotoz]

I have the same unit Billy (Triathlete) does..

....and would agree with him....excellent value even at the $60 price.

Plus...it takes the huff & puff out of blowing up pool toys!

jo

[erland]

Just carry a can of WD40 and do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myi-MxNCI4o
Then use small compressor to inflate.

[nfpgasmask]

I have the same unit Billy (Triathlete) does..

....and would agree with him....excellent value even at the $60 price.

Plus...it takes the huff & puff out of blowing up pool toys!

jo

The question is however, how long does it take? With an air tank its like seconds...

Bart

[Triathlete]

I can air up my 31's from 15 to 40 psi in about 4 minutes each. Not that bad at all. I had a Co2 tank, but living in the desert, the heat would cause the gas to expand and blow the emergency seal. Not fun when that happens...windows fog up and oxygen disapears instantly!

[Marlin]

I run a CO2 tank, and I am pretty sure its hotter here in Charleston than the dessert, we were in the hundreds last week, no problems with my tank venting...it may just depend upon the valve setpoint.

[Triathlete]

Yea! We never see 100 degrees here:rolly:





















































At least not in our 2 months of "winter".

[Marlin]

I get it, but how often does it get that hot in Britain? Plus, if you ahve the rain guards, keep the windows cracked, and are tinted, then you should have ZERO CO2 problems. I think Bart keeps his in the back too?

[nfpgasmask]

Yeah, I've never had any issues with mine *knock on wood*. Up here in Reno we generally get a week or three where we hit 100+ degrees. But that said, Billy is down in the 135 degree territory. THAT is FARKIN hot.

4 minutes each is just too long. :rotate:

Bart

[pbkid]

ya, i was gonna say that AZ is way hotter than SC lol...

i know my parents house in Lake Havasu hits like 120-130..and its by water...
ive heard tuscon is hotter than that...

[Marlin]

I get the idea, I was thinking about how hot it feels. 105 at 80% humidity puts the heat index into the high teens low 120s. No effect on a CO2 tank.

[Triathlete]

Nope Havi and Yuma battle each other for the hottest! We have seen 117 but that is rare. Usually we are 105-110...but, its a dry heat!:bwgy:

[crotchrocket]

I get it, but how often does it get that hot in Britain? Plus, if you ahve the rain guards, keep the windows cracked, and are tinted, then you should have ZERO CO2 problems. I think Bart keeps his in the back too?



i think it got that hot once, around 1973 i think :D

[crotchrocket]

SO..

Will a 3 gallon tank re-bead a tyre ??

[alanbradley]

Errr... the trick is not to unbead the tyre in the first place :P

My little Costco compressor was doing a valiant job of retaining pressure, but could never have re-beaded the tyre. Its one of the reasons I cart the big spare with me off-road.

The tanks are a smart solution but the do take up a load of space.

A

[crotchrocket]

Errr... the trick is not to unbead the tyre in the first place :P

My little Costco compressor was doing a valiant job of retaining pressure, but could never have re-beaded the tyre. Its one of the reasons I cart the big spare with me off-road.

The tanks are a smart solution but the do take up a load of space.

A

THats true!! they are big. I like the idea of Ldubs setup. I'm wondering if i can make a 'removable' boot build that utilises the seat brackets so if i HAD to i could pull out all the tools and gear and just pop the seats back in. like a 12mm MDF base and build up from there.

[alanbradley]

That's my plan - just need to be at home for a little while to get the finger out and get started.

I plan on using holes for the tie-down points as the anchors for my build. I'll put together a few sketches and post them up for comment (sometime). I intend on integrating a half-bulkhead behind the front seats with a mesh one above that so there are 2 tiers. I was intending on integrating a fridge/coolbox "zone", inverter and 12V power points, but I hadn't considered a "proper" compressor.

A

[Ldub]

THats true!! they are big. I like the idea of Ldubs setup. I'm wondering if i can make a 'removable' boot build that utilises the seat brackets so if i HAD to i could pull out all the tools and gear and just pop the seats back in. like a 12mm MDF base and build up from there.

Mine uses all stock threaded mounting points. I started with a light framework made of .75" x 1.5" (1" x 2" in US) fir (pine), then countersunk the fasteners (stainless cap screws) so the heads were flush.
The two front mounts are near the stock speaker location. (on the floor)
Then cut a base of .25" plywood, & built up from there.
LOTS of glue, screws, & finish nails is key when building light...:yes:

[crotchrocket]

Thanks dude!

[crotchrocket]

So is it safe to do the old, spray WD40 (or similar) around the inside of the tyre and light with a match to bead it????
Seen loads on youtube and looks simple enough! Just have to take the valve centre out or it quickly deflates again with the cooling air in the tyre

[Ldub]

Thanks dude!

No Problem...:thumbup:


So is it safe to do the old, spray WD40 (or similar) around the inside of the tyre and light with a match to bead it????
Seen loads on youtube and looks simple enough! Just have to take the valve centre out or it quickly deflates again with the cooling air in the tyre

Nobody EVER said that this is safe...:rolleyesg

That having been said, how many things in life that are FUN, are also SAFE?...:_confused...:laughing:

Besides, you weren't REALLY using your eyebrows for anything constructive, were you?...:naughty:

[Triathlete]

So is it safe to do the old, spray WD40 (or similar) around the inside of the tyre and light with a match to bead it????
Seen loads on youtube and looks simple enough! Just have to take the valve centre out or it quickly deflates again with the cooling air in the tyre

Safe=NO...Does it work when done right=YES

[Robbomaz]

Considered using an aircon compressor in conjunction with a tank? Enormous volume and as much pressure as you want. Obviously not portable (although the tank could be)

[Triathlete]

Considered using an aircon compressor in conjunction with a tank? Enormous volume and as much pressure as you want. Obviously not portable (although the tank could be)

But then you loose your use of A/C...not a good thing when its HOT as HELL!:bwgy:

[crotchrocket]

I've seen some compressors that go on the fan belt but my MPG is bad enough as it is.

Still considering my options on this as i only like buying things once :D !

[Robbomaz]

But then you loose your use of A/C...not a good thing when its HOT as HELL!:bwgy:
Like OZ then! I meant as well as not instead of. Not a lot of room but some econocars have tiny compressors. I'm thinking a custom power steering pulley that takes a common mag clutch........hmmmmm!