Custom Bumper Project

[VX KAT]

Bart, you crack me up :laughing:

I see Jonny 5 or Wal-E when I look at the newest pix....


http://julian-black.com/images/cat_macros/never_be_unseen_macro.jpg
x2 :freek::freek::freek::freek::freek: :laugho::laugho::laugho::laugho:


Wait, it isn't staying gray, when its black it won't be so fugly...wait, you just have to trust me...
I don't think it's a trust issue, it's just that it looks so naked, unfinished and so alien with all that open space, compared to the rest of the vehicle, IMHO, road armour be damned.

[tomdietrying]

Marlin,
I dunno what to say.
Peace.
Tom

p.s.
I did have to chuckle at Bart and Zues' comments. I'm sorry.:(

[JoFotoz]

Yup...


http://julian-black.com/images/cat_macros/never_be_unseen_macro.jpg


That just about sums it up.

The scale is wrong ...'just' my opinion!
The aesthetics are 'questionable' ...just my opinion!


And honestly...it aint gonna be better 'black'.

Please...remind me again WHY ya purchased a VX???


Disclaimer...no offense intended...ya want opinion...ya got it!


jo

[Ldub]

[QUOTE=Marlin;172264]http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa234/nfntruth/Bumper%20project/IMGP0536.jpg

I know you're not finished yet, & maybe already aware, but the angles on the ends, where it angles back look different from one side to the other...:_thinking

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[Marlin]

Ldub, very astute of you, the angles are actually the same, the driver side plate is just an inch longer, so I need to trim that off today. I forgot about the fact that one side of the crossbar is an inch longer than the other. No worries, the angles are the exact same, if you measure the distance from the crease to where the cut begins, or look at it with respect to the turn signals, they match up.

The glory of all this, it is completely removeable, and I would be willing to wager that none of you would be 100% successful at attempting something on this scale on your first try, and I don't mean first try at building your bumper, but first try at welding, cutting steel, fabrication and so on.
It is easy to say "I would make it curved, and match the lines" but in reality, without very specialized equipment, you can't just "curve" 1/4" thick steel. I also did all of this in my garage, on my own dime with my own tools, vice access to tools at work or whatnot. My bumper is more than 5 times as thick as the factory bumper and is essentially bullet proof. I understand that it is not the most aesthetically pleasing (bit of an understatement), but it is my first one, and I cannot begin to tell you how much I have learned doing it. Let me fill in the empty space, get the lights wired up, the skid plate mounted, and it will not be near as bad as you think. I have a vision...when I bought the VX at first, everyone here made fun of how ridiculous it looked, sitting low to the ground, looked like a ballooned up ricer hatchback.
I told them to give me a few months, and now they admit that it looks pretty mean, more like a truck should look. I had a vision of what I wanted, and now it is there. (except the bumper). I also have a vision of how the bumper will turn out...

[Ldub]

Ldub, very astute of you, the angles are actually the same, the driver side plate is just an inch longer, so I need to trim that off today. I forgot about the fact that one side of the crossbar is an inch longer than the other. No worries, the angles are the exact same, if you measure the distance from the crease to where the cut begins, or look at it with respect to the turn signals, they match up.

FWIW, when doing fab work of this nature, the easiest way to check angles, shapes, etc., side versus side, is to hold them together, top to top, & tweak em' till same-same...:smack:

[CrnCnn]

Ldub, very astute of you, the angles are actually the same, the driver side plate is just an inch longer, so I need to trim that off today. I forgot about the fact that one side of the crossbar is an inch longer than the other. No worries, the angles are the exact same, if you measure the distance from the crease to where the cut begins, or look at it with respect to the turn signals, they match up.

The glory of all this, it is completely removeable, and I would be willing to wager that none of you would be 100% successful at attempting something on this scale on your first try, and I don't mean first try at building your bumper, but first try at welding, cutting steel, fabrication and so on.
It is easy to say "I would make it curved, and match the lines" but in reality, without very specialized equipment, you can't just "curve" 1/4" thick steel. I also did all of this in my garage, on my own dime with my own tools, vice access to tools at work or whatnot. My bumper is more than 5 times as thick as the factory bumper and is essentially bullet proof. I understand that it is not the most aesthetically pleasing (bit of an understatement), but it is my first one, and I cannot begin to tell you how much I have learned doing it. Let me fill in the empty space, get the lights wired up, the skid plate mounted, and it will not be near as bad as you think. I have a vision...when I bought the VX at first, everyone here made fun of how ridiculous it looked, sitting low to the ground, looked like a ballooned up ricer hatchback.
I told them to give me a few months, and now they admit that it looks pretty mean, more like a truck should look. I had a vision of what I wanted, and now it is there. (except the bumper). I also have a vision of how the bumper will turn out...


I know what it feels like to have people beating on ur ideas, but what do you expect from this group when you go that far with it?

[nfpgasmask]

The glory of all this, it is completely removeable,

But, didn't you already sell your front cladding? I mean, I suppose you could find another, but...



and I would be willing to wager that none of you would be 100% successful at attempting something on this scale on your first try, and I don't mean first try at building your bumper, but first try at welding, cutting steel, fabrication and so on.

Well, yes and no. I think the biggest problem with all of this, at least for me, is that you may have had a "mental picture" of what you were trying to do, but you seem to have made absolutely NO PLANS whatsoever. Furthermore, I have done some welding/cutting/bending of steel/etc, and I agree that it isn't easy and takes some serious tools and know how, and that is EXACTLY why I would not have even ATTEMPTED a production piece without at least a little practice, a firm plan, the right tools, and the proper engineering. If I was you, I would have had a COMPLETE cardboard mock up done before I even bought a piece of metal. I would have perfected the design, and made 100% sure I was happy with the aesthetics BEFORE I sold off my front cladding and began the project.


It is easy to say "I would make it curved, and match the lines" but in reality, without very specialized equipment, you can't just "curve" 1/4" thick steel.

True, but wouldn't that kinda make a little bell go off in your head?


I also did all of this in my garage, on my own dime with my own tools, vice access to tools at work or whatnot. My bumper is more than 5 times as thick as the factory bumper and is essentially bullet proof. I understand that it is not the most aesthetically pleasing (bit of an understatement), but it is my first one, and I cannot begin to tell you how much I have learned doing it. Let me fill in the empty space, get the lights wired up, the skid plate mounted, and it will not be near as bad as you think.

OK, that remains to be seen.


I have a vision...when I bought the VX at first, everyone here made fun of how ridiculous it looked, sitting low to the ground, looked like a ballooned up ricer hatchback.
I told them to give me a few months, and now they admit that it looks pretty mean, more like a truck should look. I had a vision of what I wanted, and now it is there. (except the bumper). I also have a vision of how the bumper will turn out...

That's great that you have a vision. I feel the same way about my projects. Even before I bought my Trooper, I knew EXACTLY how I wanted the paint job to look. And I made it happen right away. It might not be the best looking job, but I like it, and that's all that matters. And the same goes for your project. I think the criticism mainly stems from the fact that you seem to have little respect for the outward appearance of the VehiCROSS. I personally love the outward appearance of the VX body. So taking anything away from that, at least for me, is pretty taboo.

All I can say is that taking on this project without the experience, tools, practice and planning it deserved, would be like me trying to do the body work on my Falcon without the slightest bit of experience. These are not Ertl model cars we are dealing with. This is the real, expensive deal. If I do decide to do the body work myself, I will probably take a class first, and I will most certainly save up and buy ALL the tools I will need to do it right.

Anyway Marlin, rock on and stay focused. No one needs to be happy with it but you. And if all else fails, you can always sell the VX and buy a Jeep! Cause we all know that most Jeepers out there just want a cookie cutter wheeler that everyone else approves of. And really, there is nothing wrong with that. Its just not me. ;)

Bart

[tom4bren]

I hear what you're sayin Bart but personally I gotta give it to Marlinstein.

I'm sure he's feeling a lot of personal satisfaction right about now over his accomplishment. He's done a great job of customizing his ride ... even if it's not to the liking of the majority of VX owners. Wouldn't most Caddy owners in the 60's cringe at the thought of what George did to the Bat Mobile. He did it anyway & now it's a classic modded ride.

There's a 4-Runner in my neighborhood with 4 feet of steel tubing sticking out from the front of it. It's not to my liking & completely useless in this area (not much slick rock in VA). He likes it tho so ...

[ZEUS]

I, for one, am not beating up on your idea, Chris... just the results thus far. I like the idea of a Road Armor style winch bumper. The thing is... it's best to learn how to walk before you learn how to run. So I don't get why someone with no skills or experience with metal work would take on something this massive, except, of course, to say you were the first to build a bumper. :confused: To me, telling people "I bet you couldn't do this your first time out" is like saying "I bet you guys wouldn't have as much success at learning how NOT to do something". But, at the same time nobody has ever said anything negative about your growing skills as we all know you are not done and we all know you are learning as you go; however, your bumper mimics that, and now your VX mimics that, and that is where all the flack is coming from.

[nfpgasmask]

I'm sure he's feeling a lot of personal satisfaction right about now over his accomplishment. He's done a great job of customizing his ride ... even if it's not to the liking of the majority of VX owners. Wouldn't most Caddy owners in the 60's cringe at the thought of what George did to the Bat Mobile. He did it anyway & now it's a classic modded ride.

You certainly have a point Tom. There are a lot of die-hard Australians who HATE to see their beloved Aussie coupes get turned into Mad Max replicas, much less exported to the US. And I suppose, I have similar feelings for the VehiCROSS. It's such a rare, unique, and wickedly cool PUV, that I hate to see it modded to the point of no return in an attempt to turn it into something it was really never meant to be. You know how I feel about your VX!!! :laughing: ;)

But I think it goes beyond that, and beyond personal satisfaction. Again, IMO, the problems with the bumper are more related to the apparent lack of planning/practice/tools/skills/etc, that should have been done/acquired/etc PRIOR to the project getting started. Like I said before, I probably would have a completely different opinion if it seemed like there was more forethought and practice put in place before this VX was...ahem...raped. :eek: :rotate: But again, this is all just my lone opinion. In the grand scheme of things, it means absolutely nothing.

:_beer:

Bart

[tom4bren]

"I, for one, am not beating up on your idea, Chris... just the results thus far."

Yeah, who woulda thunk you could turn a Jeep bumper into a differential bracket.

"the problems with the bumper are more related to the apparent lack of planning/practice/tools/skills/etc, that should have been done/acquired/etc PRIOR to the project getting started."

You obviously have NO experience with how Army Acquision works:)

[nfpgasmask]

You obviously have NO experience with how Army Acquision works:)

Perhaps, but from my 12 years of gas mask collecting, I do know that the US military would test several gas mask models made by several different companies first. Then, using the test results, they decide on a single design that fits the need. Then, that design goes through several prototype phases until the definitive product is perfected. I'm not sure how it works for other things, but I am fairly sure that's how it works for gas masks. :D

Bart

[tom4bren]

Nice try. That's the logical approach tho. It REALLY don't work that way.:bwgy:

Need Statement - Development Specification - Solicitation - Source Selection - Award to low bidder - Accept hardware that meets half the requirements @ twice the price.

Marlinstein Approach:

Need Statement (I want it) - Development Specification (mental image) - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - ...

[Ldub]

Wouldn't most Caddy owners in the 60's cringe at the thought of what George did to the Bat Mobile. He did it anyway & now it's a classic modded ride.

Sorry Bud, that was based on the Lincoln Futura...:p...:rotate:...:p

http://www.forbes.com/2001/07/09/0709vow.html

[tom4bren]

Wow - I just made Lbud's day for him ... gave him an opportunity to correct me. The whole logic in my first post just went down the toilet. THX

[Ldub]

Wow - I just made Lbud's day for him ... gave him an opportunity to correct me. The whole logic in my first post just went down the toilet. THX

L-O-L-O-freak-n...L!...:laughing:...:flower:

Just go change it to lincoln, I'll take this one down (eventually), & we'll walk away from this like nuthin' ever happend...:uhohgray:

[handeeman]

Sorry Bud, that was based on the Lincoln Futura...:p...:rotate:...:p

http://www.forbes.com/2001/07/09/0709vow.html


Wow - I just made Lbud's day for him ... gave him an opportunity to correct me. The whole logic in my first post just went down the toilet. THX


L-O-L-O-freak-n...L!...:laughing:...:flower:

Just go change it to lincoln, I'll take this one down (eventually), & we'll walk away from this like nuthin' ever happend...:uhohgray:

Take it down, whenever,:smilewink:smilewink:smilewink but there will be those of us that won't forget:smilewink:smilewink:smilewink

[tom4bren]

And on THAT note ... I get to go brief a General Officer on why my program shouldn't be sent down the crapper.:)

Y'all have a good day.

[pbkid]

too late... we all already saw it...

[snowtrooper1966]

As a wise man said recently:
"What has been seen cannot be unseen".
Spooky that it now appllies twice in the last few pages of this thread;)

[Marlin]

Marlinstein Approach:

Need Statement (I want it) - Development Specification (mental image) - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - Try it - fix it - ...

Very true statement. As for Bart's planning, designing and blah blah blah, that is definitely not my style. I am more of a doer...obviously. It has also givin me something to do for the last few months on the weekend mornings before the family is up and about. Basically, from 0630 to 0930, I play in the garage with my toys. Then its off to the aquarium or whatever with the wife and kids.
As for raping my VX, I did not modify the VX itself, so if it really had to go back to stock, it could, so more of a molestation than a rape. I would have to fab some brackets for a few things that were rusted beyond repair...no biggie.

This whole project started after seeing the junk factory tube crumble when I went to replace my horn.
I had access to the materials for free (tubing) so figured, why not.

I picked up the gasket material for the lights on the way home from Day of Caring volunteer event I worked on. The bedliner is done. So I should be able to finish the barbaric raping device before lunch. I will make a video at night of the lights.

[nfpgasmask]

Very true statement. As for Bart's planning, designing and blah blah blah, that is definitely not my style. I am more of a doer...obviously.

In the past I did a lot of things like this. My mom always told me when I was a kid, "Haste Makes Waste". And I believe she was right. Sure, we all get impatient from time to time, and mess up somehow and have to re-do it. But I guess for me, its the scale. When doing something of this magnitude, I try that much harder to have a solid design and execution plan. As with most good projects, the longest and most important stage is the planning stage. :thumbup:

Bart

[Marlin]

In the past I did a lot of things like this. My mom always told me when I was a kid, "Haste Makes Waste". And I believe she was right. Sure, we all get impatient from time to time, and mess up somehow and have to re-do it. But I guess for me, its the scale. When doing something of this magnitude, I try that much harder to have a solid design and execution plan. As with most good projects, the longest and most important stage is the planning stage. :thumbup:

Bart

I agree with you 10000%, but again, its just not me. As for scale, you make it sound like I cut my VX to pieces, I didn't really do anything to my VX, just something that is bolted on to it, no welding on the frame, no new holes...not that I haven't put enough in her already.

[nfpgasmask]

I agree with you 10000%, but again, its just not me. As for scale, you make it sound like I cut my VX to pieces, I didn't really do anything to my VX, just something that is bolted on to it, no welding on the frame, no new holes...not that I haven't put enough in her already.

Maybe just go ahead and put your front cladding back on and we can all just forget this ever happened and move on. :laughing:

:D Bart

[Marlin]

Maybe just go ahead and put your front cladding back on and we can all just forget this ever happened and move on. :laughing:

:D Bart

Not a chance, that is one of the reasons I sold the cladding, to prevent me from having the option to quit and give up. Now I have no choice but to make it work. I am concerned about cosmetics a bit, and it will improve, as I get better at metal working. I will say metal working is much more difficult than woodworking, but a lot more gratifying...

[nfpgasmask]

Not a chance, that is one of the reasons I sold the cladding, to prevent me from having the option to quit and give up. Now I have no choice but to make it work. I am concerned about cosmetics a bit, and it will improve, as I get better at metal working. I will say metal working is much more difficult than woodworking, but a lot more gratifying...

Good for you, dude! Like I said before, rock on! I'm a huge proponent of individuality and it's obvious you are too! So my hat is off to you, good sir!

:_beer: Bart

[vt_maverick]

I think people addicted to this thread fall in one of three categories: people really inspired by the project, those who aren't sure what they think but are curious to see what happens next (me), and those that see an awful train wreck but can't look away. ;)

I know if I was Marlin I would have just quit posting a long time ago. I remember a guy started a thread similar to this on the G35 forum detailing his project of replacing the NA 3.5 V6 with a twin-turboed 4.5 V8. Everything went well until someone noticed he had crimped one of the turbo tubes while bending. I think the thread doubled in length in one day with all the mockery.

So lay off the hate-er-aid, grab a beer, get some popcorn, and enjoy the show!

[Marlin]

I think people addicted to this thread fall in one of three categories: people really inspired by the project, those who aren't sure what they think but are curious to see what happens next (me), and those that see an awful train wreck but can't look away. ;)

I know if I was Marlin I would have just quit posting a long time ago. I remember a guy started a thread similar to this on the G35 forum detailing his project of replacing the NA 3.5 V6 with a twin-turboed 4.5 V8. Everything went well until someone noticed he had crimped one of the turbo tubes while bending. I think the thread doubled in length in one day with all the mockery.

So lay off the hate-er-aid, grab a beer, get some popcorn, and enjoy the show!

Thanks for the support,I will continue to post no matter what, I am a glutton for punishment. Time to get to work...