Ldub, thanks for the lift

[MSHardeman]

I don't know if everyone read about this over on the ZuZoo thread, so I wanted to post it up here. I know he isn't looking for this, and probably doesn't want to hear any more about it, but in case you didn't know Ldub is good people.

He brought a set of 912's with him to Moab, and I have been going back and forth about lifting my VX for a while, so I decided to buy the springs from him so I would have them when I was ready to lift. Dub was ready to put them on for me right then and there, but I held off thinking that I would do it some time later. Well, after two or three margarita's at Fiesta Mexicana and some serious peer pressure from the entire VX community in Moab at the Red Rock Inn parking lot I relented and decided to go for it.

While everyone else was cheering and clinking glasses Ldub quietly started to unload tools out of the back of Suzy. No big fuss, just down to business. He and Jay Dunford sprang (pun intended) into action and got the VX up on jack stands, the wheels and shocks off, and the springs out before anyone knew what was happening. After a little workout by Jay, pushing the rear axle down, the new springs where in and the rear was lifted.

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Dub moved right on to the front and got the torsion bars cranked even while everyone and their grandmother was giving him "pointers". The man apparently knows what he's doing because I was lifted in about 30 minutes and after doing some measurements last night before getting it aligned today she is sitting pretty. The front is about 1/2" lower than the rear (perfect for me) and she's level side to side. I won't be wheeling any time soon, so I will replace the bump stops later so I can avoid the JoFotoz TWANG

So far I'm lovin' the heck out of the lift and now I can't wait to test it out in Moab next year. Thanks again Ldub. You're one class act.

[nfpgasmask]

Mark,

I was right there with you on the fence, but let me just say, having the extra ground clearance and the tougher stance is 100% worth the minute amount of work it takes to get lifted (especially when someone else is doing it for you for free!!!! :) ). Like me, just keep an eye on your CV boots and have fun!

I love being lifted, especially with the meatier tires. It just makes my VX look "correct", whereas before it was just about perfect for me, but still missing that little something, and that was the lift.

Now, I vote for Kodiak lifting next. His Proton would look TOTALLY SICK lifted with some nice AR Teflon Mojaves and some beefy meat. What do you think, Richard? Its all your VX needs to acheive perfection and be that much more wicked!

;) Bart

EDIT: Those pics of Ldub under your VX MUST go in the coffee table book!

[Scott Harness]

YES! Ldub RULES.

[So-CalVX]

told u it was wicked sweet... Now for a lift :P

Richard

[kodiak]

Mark,

I was right there with you on the fence, but let me just say, having the extra ground clearance and the tougher stance is 100% worth the minute amount of work it takes to get lifted (especially when someone else is doing it for you for free!!!! :) ). Like me, just keep an eye on your CV boots and have fun!

I love being lifted, especially with the meatier tires. It just makes my VX look "correct", whereas before it was just about perfect for me, but still missing that little something, and that was the lift.

Now, I vote for Kodiak lifting next. His Proton would look TOTALLY SICK lifted with some nice AR Teflon Mojaves and some beefy meat. What do you think, Richard? Its all your VX needs to acheive perfection and be that much more wicked!

;) Bart

EDIT: Those pics of Ldub under your VX MUST go in the coffee table book!

Its something to think about, I’ll let you know before we go to Moab next year.:cool:

[Ldub]

Dubster, I tried to use that extra tie rod you had but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Seriously, that damn rod end wouldn't budge! So I just used one of the unmolested castle nuts from it, affixed it to my "improved" tie rod, and I was on my way. I don't understand why you wouldn't let me spray WD-"30" all over your bling though. :confused: :bgwg:

LOL...guess I'm just "funny" that way.:rotate:

[Ldub]

I don't know if everyone read about this over on the ZuZoo thread, so I wanted to post it up here. I know he isn't looking for this, and probably doesn't want to hear any more about it, but in case you didn't know Ldub is good people.

He brought a set of 912's with him to Moab, and I have been going back and forth about lifting my VX for a while, so I decided to buy the springs from him so I would have them when I was ready to lift. Dub was ready to put them on for me right then and there, but I held off thinking that I would do it some time later. Well, after two or three margarita's at Fiesta Mexicana and some serious peer pressure from the entire VX community in Moab at the Red Rock Inn parking lot I relented and decided to go for it.

While everyone else was cheering and clinking glasses Ldub quietly started to unload tools out of the back of Suzy. No big fuss, just down to business. He and Jay Dunford sprang (pun intended) into action and got the VX up on jack stands, the wheels and shocks off, and the springs out before anyone knew what was happening. After a little workout by Jay, pushing the rear axle down, the new springs where in and the rear was lifted.

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Dub moved right on to the front and got the torsion bars cranked even while everyone and their grandmother was giving him "pointers". The man apparently knows what he's doing because I was lifted in about 30 minutes and after doing some measurements last night before getting it aligned today she is sitting pretty. The front is about 1/2" lower than the rear (perfect for me) and she's level side to side. I won't be wheeling any time soon, so I will replace the bump stops later so I can avoid the JoFotoz TWANG

So far I'm lovin' the heck out of the lift and now I can't wait to test it out in Moab next year. Thanks again Ldub. You're one class act.

Wheelin' Buddy Mark, You're more than welcome...:thumbup:

Glad I could help out, but I was far from alone in the effort.
Without Jays help & Jo's exterior illumination, I might still be under there...:rolleyesg..:_wrench:

Also, Thanks To You & everyone else who helped by handing me wrenches, helping to put them away & especially those who knew enough to stay on the stoop & out of harms way...LOL:smilewink

[djvx]

Ldub, I'd like tofly you to Milwaukee,WI to lift mine. I can mix you up some margaritas if you'd like.

[Pepino]

hahaha i am actually thinking about lifting mine too, im in milwaukee too! and i am Mexican so i know for sure how to make some great Margaritas we could all get together!

[Marlin]

I have the not so obvious advantage of having not met any of you in person. What I mean is, I have these visions of how the regulars are after reading hundreds of threads. LDUB stories make me think of a Midwestern poster child. I have read so many things about him on here, he makes me think of my Dad...:yesg: No offense Californians (well, maybe a little;) ) but Midwesterners are the best!!! We are always willing to help someone out, without looking for the gain to ourselves. I am proud to own a VX and to know that I would be willing to help out a stranger in need as well. After having mine lifted and the new shocks installed, I was out toolin around and I came across a late model 4x4 Ram stuck in the ditch with a flatbed trailer on the back. Of all the days, I had taken my recovery gear out while workin on the spare tire storage area. I didn't have my tow strap:( I still stayed, helped him disconnect the trailer, and we worked the truck out of the mud with another passerby. After he was out, we connected the trailer...he offered me money for helping him!!!! That seemed crazy to me. I just helped him cause it was the right thing to do, its how I was raised, the way I thought everyone was in Missouri and Ohio. Being in the military, I now know better, but man, how much better would life be if everyone followed the Golden Rule and followed LDUB's lead.

[JoFotoz]

WOW...that's a harsh generalization....:confused:


No offense Californians (well, maybe a little;) ) but Midwesterners are the best!!! We are always willing to help someone out, without looking for the gain to ourselves. .



...looking fwd to meeting you in Moab.


jo

[Ldub]

WOW...that's a harsh generalization....:confused:





...looking fwd to meeting you in Moab.


jo

Now boyz...play nice...:laughgray

That IS painting the picture with a rather broad brush, & I can personally vouch for Jo's sterling character...:yes:...:thumbup:...:_beer:

That being said, I think you'll find that offroaders in general, & ISUZU offroaders in particular, are cut of some pretty darned good cloth...:cool:

[JoFotoz]

Thanks Dub...BUT...

Its this West coast I was thinking of......



Baldwin...sets up a one of a kind tour of Petersons and Awesome isuzu freebies!

Anita...keeps us Kosher when "intruders" try to invade.

Riff Raff...doing the skid plate shuffle...for everyones benefit.

Rickshaw...teaching us all how to detail!

Cyronman....always there when a painted boob is on the loose!

Triathlete..an honrary West Coaster everytime he runs our beaches!



Etc Etc Etc...( dont get me started on alaska!)


:p:p

jo

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[pbkid]

That being said, I think you'll find that offroaders in general, & ISUZU offroaders in particular, are cut of some pretty darned good cloth...:cool:

x2
:thumbup:

generalizations is what make people look dumb/ignorant...

[VXIRONwoMAN]

x2
:thumbup:

generalizations is what make people look dumb/ignorant...

X3

...and why do a good portion of your generalizations of people have a bit to do about my background? BTW... YOU are WAAAAY off! Born and raised in So Cal, live in the Midwest now and if I had the funds to move back with Gill in tow, I wouldn't look back. (Jo ya got any spare rooms on that boat???) Eff the Midwest! I will hold back my generalizations about the majority of the people out here. Are you a hater Marlin???

I wish we all could be California GIIIIIIIRLS...:bwgr:

[Triathlete]

Triathlete..an honrary West Coaster everytime he runs our beaches!



jo

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LOL...actually I was born a Californian...only a 'zonie for the last 37 years! I spent the first 7 and all my summers until I was 16 trolling the beaches of L.A. with a surf board under my arm!:bwgy:

[lasturbo]

My vote for Larry for helping a fellow Larry when he got me a drain plug from an Isuzu cuz mine was some aftermarket quick release that I did not trust. I was a newbie at that time and Ldub came through for a fellow member, that he has never met, and I still really appreciate it and will never forget it. Not only that, but a few PM's went his way asking "rookie" questions as well. Like I said, if I can do anything over here on the "west coast," I will make the same effort!
Thanks again dub!! :gring:

[Marlin]

LMFAO, I was just poking at you...I guess now I can say that Southern Californians are way too sensitive? Although my sample group (VX owners) would not be a good representation, VX owners are not "normal".:bgwb:

The only reason I mentioned it is that I just moved here to SC from San Diego 1 year ago this week. I lived in San Diego three different times. I was in Rancho Bernardo, Chula Vista, and Pacific Beach. At every house we lived in, we would go talk to our neighbors, some of whom had lived there for years, and none of them knew each other!!! How do you not know your neighbors? My wife and I are both from Missouri, and my wife's closest neighbors were 1/2 mile down the road, and they still knew all of them within a few miles. I guess it is just a cultural difference.
Relax So Cal brothers and sisters, it was just good natured ribbing. Being in the Navy, I have met people from everywhere and get along with just about everyone. When we get new students, they have to write an essay about where they are from, their hobbies and so on. It enables us to profile, so to speak, and identify the ones that may have problems later on. When I read the San Diego kid's essays, it never fails that hobbies include :shopping, tanning, water polo, surfing, texting...I didn't know tanning was a hobby?! They also have really bad habits about saying "LIKE" and "DUDE". LOL

[WormGod]

And us east coast folks get left out to dry. I understand. Tomorrow, I shall divide the states at the Mississippi River and call it a day. ;)

[Ldub]

LMFAO, I was just poking at you...I guess now I can say that Southern Californians are way too sensitive? Although my sample group (VX owners) would not be a good representation, VX owners are not "normal".:bgwb:

The only reason I mentioned it is that I just moved here to SC from San Diego 1 year ago this week. I lived in San Diego three different times. I was in Rancho Bernardo, Chula Vista, and Pacific Beach. At every house we lived in, we would go talk to our neighbors, some of whom had lived there for years, and none of them knew each other!!! How do you not know your neighbors? My wife and I are both from Missouri, and my wife's closest neighbors were 1/2 mile down the road, and they still knew all of them within a few miles. I guess it is just a cultural difference.
Relax So Cal brothers and sisters, it was just good natured ribbing. Being in the Navy, I have met people from everywhere and get along with just about everyone. When we get new students, they have to write an essay about where they are from, their hobbies and so on. It enables us to profile, so to speak, and identify the ones that may have problems later on. When I read the San Diego kid's essays, it never fails that hobbies include :shopping, tanning, water polo, surfing, texting...I didn't know tanning was a hobby?! They also have really bad habits about saying "LIKE" and "DUDE". LOL

LIKE DUDE...you sure know how to stir the pot...:laughgray

I think "texting" as a hobby is hilarious, whatever happened to just TALKING to people?

It is my fervent hope, that the stoop @ the ROCK doesn't degenerate into "fight club" when alcohol is added...:rolleyesg
Anyone in the mood to get "scuffed up a bit", will no longer be welcome near 112...:naughty:


And us east coast folks get left out to dry. I understand. Tomorrow, I shall divide the states at the Mississippi River and call it a day. ;)

And me, the "midwest poster boy" here in the middle...I can drive for about two hours (N E) & literally WALK across the headwaters of the Mississippi.:cool:

[nfpgasmask]

...and why do a good portion of your generalizations of people have a bit to do about my background? BTW... YOU are WAAAAY off! Born and raised in So Cal, live in the Midwest now and if I had the funds to move back with Gill in tow, I wouldn't look back. (Jo ya got any spare rooms on that boat???) Eff the Midwest!

I'm with you Cece, I've been moved to Reno from Chicago for 2.5 years now and there is NO WAY I would come back. There would have to be some ridiculously enormous sum involved for me to even think about going back east. I honestly don't know how anyone could even begin to compare the East to the West. Just look at a map. The eastern US is like 3 times and crowded!! Gill is one lucky dude to have found someone willing to make that sacrifice!!! :D Now go convince him to move out west with you!!! :thumbup:


The only reason I mentioned it is that I just moved here to SC from San Diego 1 year ago this week. I lived in San Diego three different times. I was in Rancho Bernardo, Chula Vista, and Pacific Beach. At every house we lived in, we would go talk to our neighbors, some of whom had lived there for years, and none of them knew each other!!! How do you not know your neighbors? My wife and I are both from Missouri, and my wife's closest neighbors were 1/2 mile down the road, and they still knew all of them within a few miles. I guess it is just a cultural difference.

See, maybe it's a city thing, but man, people out here are WAAAAY more layed back than the people in Chicago. And the same goes for California. People are just super friendly and way more outgoing and open minded. Living in Chicago was like, put your head down, walk, and don't make eye contact. I also found living in the city very "click" oriented. I had my group of friends (that I have been friends with since childhood mind you) and that was really it. To me it was like, I don't know you, I don't want to know you and I don't care to know you. TOTALLY DIFFERENT VIBE out here, and imo, way cooler.

But you live in the "South" where it takes like 20 minutes to get a #2 cheeseburger meal at McDonalds, so I really can't compare. :D

Bart

[nocturnalVX]

DUUUUDE! How can you get to know your neighbors in the Midwest when very few of them speak English? I moved out of a condo complex because I felt like I was in an east block country and now that I finally moved into a "nice neighborhood", neighbors on one side still don't speak English and the neighbors on the other side are gold medalist A-holes. The house two doors down is renting out every room in their house, the garage is converted into another apartment, and they're trashing the block (piling up dog crap in the alley, cigarettes, beer cans, fast food trash, did I mention they have 8 or so different cars that they can't park on their own property)... yeah... Midwesterners are the BEST!!! :_brickwal

[nfpgasmask]

DUUUUDE! How can you get to know your neighbors in the Midwest when very few of them speak English? I moved out of a condo complex because I felt like I was in an east block country and now that I finally moved into a "nice neighborhood", neighbors on one side still don't speak English and the neighbors on the other side are gold medalist A-holes. The house two doors down is renting out every room in their house, the garage is converted into another apartment, and they're trashing the block (piling up dog crap in the alley, cigarettes, beer cans, fast food trash, did I mention they have 8 or so different cars that they can't park on their own property)... yeah... Midwesterners are the BEST!!!:_brickwal

There you have it folks. Another Chicagoan who feels the same way. I got SOOOO SICK of EXACTLY what Gill is talking about after living in the city for nearly 10 years. It's just TOO MUCH. Leaving that place was a MONUMENTAL LIFE CHANGING EXPERIENCE. But you know, Chicago has some nice suburbs, if you can afford them and don't mind commuting for 3 hours a day. :rolleyes:

Bart

[CrnCnn]

How did we highjack this thread so bad?

I feel it's more a city size thing sometimes. I was born and raised in Tucson until I was 21 and most of my neighbors spoke English when I was a kid and I had other kids to play with. As time went on and people left, new people moved into the area we had less and less English speaking people. As well as lots of people that wouldn't maintain their yard's and would keep their dog tied to a 10ft chain in the back 24/7 barking ALL the time.

That was my "South" and people were on the go and click oriented too, I think everyone a little. Moving to Reno was also a major change for me. I have grown and become more of an individual here than I ever was back home.

People get stuck in their Day to Day and don’t care about anyone else back there. My father-in-law just crashed his motorcycle a month ago in Tucson because some lady ran a red light. NO ONE stopped to help him. NO ONE!!! He was OK and everything but he was having a hard time getting the bike up and getting out of the way and no one did anything...

How did we highjack this thread so bad?

[Ldub]

Here in dinkycoldville (Fargo, right around 100k) I live in an old house that's been converted into six apartments. I know every one of my neighbors by their first name, including the elderly couple who live in the house next door.
Four out of the seven other people who live here, regularly come to hang in "Larryland" (it's on my door), and the two noobs who just moved in, have already been invited to join us around the fire pit on summer evenings...:cool:
I still maintain friendships with at least four people who formerly lived here.

There's one I won't hang out with at all, he's on the long list...:naughty:

I regularly patrol the yard & boulevard to keep trash at bay...the ghetto is right across the street in two directions, but I'll keep it there as long as possible.

All in all, I feel like a pretty lucky guy.

And yeah, we did jack hell outta this thread, my apologies Mark...:mbrasd:

[MSHardeman]

Thread jack doesn't bother me any. The original post was just to thank you (Ldub) for the work on Vicki last year. I never got to wheel her in Moab with the lift, so I'm looking forward to getting back there this year to see how the lift helps.

Oh, and I agree....the Red Rock porch is no place for feudin'. Only good natured ribing, tall tales, and swash buckling stories coupled with some adult beverages will be tolerated.

[Solitude]

An Epiphany I have had over the years of traveling coast to coast in the last 15 years (2 million Miles)

Illinois is a great place to be FROM!!!!

and if you actually gauged the separation of the country according to attitude... The Mississippi river is about right.

just my 2 cents minus emoticans

Jeff

[nocturnalVX]

How did we highjack this thread so bad?



And yeah, we did jack hell outta this thread, my apologies Mark...:mbrasd:

x2... Our bad!
:_mecker:
:_iamwiths
:disturbed



Oh, and I agree....the Red Rock porch is no place for feudin'. Only good natured ribing, tall tales, and swash buckling stories coupled with some adult beverages will be tolerated.
:_beer:

[Marlin]

Wait a second, I don't really count Chicago as Midwest. There are no farmers in Chicago!!! Even the people from Illinois don't like to claim chicago!!!!!! It is it's own corrupt little world. Kind of like grouping So Cal with the rest of California. They are not even remotely the same. I realize a majority of California is farmland. But much the same as NY, everyone thinks of NYC, where as it is physically a very small part of the state. Upstate is awesome, I went to school in the Albany area, gorgeous and great fishing/camping.
I just like "stirring the pot". There will certainly be no fisticuffs from me!!! We (nukes) just like to spin people up, we sometimes play devil's advocate just for something to do. It keeps your mind sharp, and boredom at bay.

As far as the East Coast, well, I suppose its just the East Coast..how about the Mason-Dixon Line, so we can have the New England area, and the South East...
And Bart, it does take 2 hrs at McDs to get a burger here in the south...but at least they are polite about being ridiculously slllllllooooooooowwwwwwwww.

ummmmm, keep up the good work LDUB, (now its not thread jacking:) )

[CrnCnn]

Wait a second, I don't really count Chicago as Midwest.

See I am from southern AZ. Very, Very close to the US border, but im not considered from the south. I know what people mean when they say they're from the south but I'm from a place thats physically south as SC.

Drives me nuts.

[Moncha]

I can say first hand you cannot generalize anyone into any category. Everyone is so different no matter their current location or their origin. Can we try (hard) and keep this to the topic at hand?

[VCrossfan]

I can say first hand you cannot generalize anyone into any category. Everyone is so different no matter their current location or their origin. Can we try (hard) and keep this to the topic at hand?

I hear ya Bossman, I've lived in Illinois all my life and love it. It's where you live, family and who your friends are. Some people slam Chicago which doesn't bother me much because as some have mentioned it's kind of it's own little world and I myself hardly ever go there but when I did (chaperon class trips) I had a very good time and it offers allot of history. I'm in central Illinois and which farming is big which help keep this nation going. If people who used to live ahhh, let's say Chicago have left the windy city and obviously hated living there, you have made a choice and moved on to a better place "for you" so let Chicago go. Illinois is a great state with good people, but there are "unfriendly" areas, but all states have them. Family and friends is what it's all about ! !

Anyway back on the thread topic, Ldub that was a great thing you did installing MSHardeman's lift. You would fit in "right-kindly" around my neck-of-the-woods

[Ldub]

Anyway back on the thread topic, Ldub that was a great thing you did installing MSHardeman's lift. You would fit in "right-kindly" around my neck-of-the-woods

Well...on the surface it would seem so, but as I've stated in other threads,(or somewhere) when Mark first bought the springs, he wasn't sure he wanted them installed.
So I knocked twenty bucks off the price.
Then he decided to have them put on, so I said OK...let's have that twenty...:smilewink
Either way, no problem...just don't want anyone thinkin I'm St.dub...:angel:
That would definitely be a misassumptulation...:naughty:
Also, as stated earlier, I was FAR from alone in the effort. I had help from Jim, Jay, Jo, Mark, Carrie, Clint & Jesus...OK, I prolly left out a few, but I tried to get the situation as straight as memory will allow.:_confused
I guess in hindsight, I shoulda bought the rest of the "pit crew" some beverages with that twenty...:_beer:

[MSHardeman]

Yes, money did exchange hands, but you still saved me a ton of time and busted knuckles dub. Plus, it was kind of a bonding experience for the whole family there. Everyone got to see how a lift goes in, and they got to hang around with some cool and frosty beverages and get to know each other a little better.

I don't know if anyone on the planet could be considered a saint, dub, but you're good people in my book.:thumbup:

[VX KAT]

Boy this thread jack was interesting. Having been born & raised in Pennsylvania, then living in Los Angeles/Long Beach for 15 yrs, then 11 years in the South (Dallas), now 16 months in Central/Northern Arizona, and hubby born/raised in Chicago......I can relate to virtually every description all of you have described! Guess I'm one messed up DUDE (err, dudette I guess). :grinp:

Since this is already pretty jacked......Lookin' forward to Moab sooooooo much, got the Ranchos on yesterday and all my pissin' & moanin' about the ride is over! Thanks Deermagnet for pushing me over the edge! :thumbup:

[djvx]

Milwaukee is awesomely midwest. We have festivals here all summer. Beer flows non stop. Most people know and help their nieghbors. There are Harley Davidson Rally's and all kind's of fun. Chicago is a blast to go visit too. I like winter sports-snowmobiling and hunting and although the weather can be rough, the change of seasons is nice. To each there own, but many are chosing to put the midwest down. I for one enjoy it.
I go to AZ quite often and I have noticed no difference in the people. My brother lives in Fort McDowell just northeast of Scottsdale and Fountain Hills.
It's awesome- they can legally drive ATV's and dirt bikes,golf carts on the street!

[Jolly Roger VX'er]

We just had a guy in the Army Reserves return from Iraq after 14 months IIRC (I know it was less than 18 months) that is a coworker & the first place he visited for a small 4 day vacation once returning to the states (Erie, PA) was Chicago. He had a Blast and wants to return at a later date.

I only know Gill & CeCe (Chicago transplant) are GREAT people to travel with! (just don't let CeCe work the elevator...:rolleyes:)

& to keep with the REAL thread subject....LDUB is the man...a real lend the shirt off your back kind of guy! I needed a PCV when mine failed in Moab and he offered me his (okay...not the one being used by Suzie...but a back-up nonetheless...lol)

[Ldub]

We just had a guy in the Army Reserves return from Iraq after 14 months IIRC (I know it was less than 18 months) that is a coworker & the first place he visited for a small 4 day vacation once returning to the states (Erie, PA) was Chicago. He had a Blast and wants to return at a later date.

I only know Gill & CeCe (Chicago transplant) are GREAT people to travel with! (just don't let CeCe work the elevator...:rolleyes:)

& to keep with the REAL thread subject....LDUB is the man...a real lend the shirt off your back kind of guy! I needed a PCV when mine failed in Moab and he offered me his (okay...not the one being used by Suzie...but a back-up nonetheless...lol)

Dude...I'm sorry, if you had let me know you needed a shirt, I had some extras...:_confused

[Pepino]

Beer flows non stop

Ya tell me about it, back in Mexico we usually dont drink beer, its all about hard alcohol at nightclubs and parties never beer, and here in Milwuakee at parties thats usually the only thing they have